What kind of Tablet Convertible to buy ? (Time sensetive)

[Hattori Hanzo]

The modular bay is very nice feature, especially as the second battery adds nothing to the outlines of the device, although you don't seem to care about that so much. Of course for the optical drive the same applies.

But Shog has a valid argument, imo, for artists concerning the non flush bezel. I don't mind it for taking notes, but that's a personal preference.

All three are good choices and have basically the same tech under the hood. You can't really pick something bad out of those three. If I were in your *****, I'd look round the forums for details about the screens, because that's an essential part and it might differ quite a bit. One obvious difference is the Lenovo's different aspect ratio.
The reason I asked specifically about the optical drive is because if there's absolutely no way around it being internally possible, the Fujitsu is your only choice. If it is not and one of the other units features a substantially better screen, you'd have to decide where to take the drawback in comparison.

If you haven't done it already, also browse through the spec sheets and product photos of the units. If you use OneNote heavily and have experience with art programs, you should have your personal workflow already. So also look what buttons all three offer and how they are propositioned in tablet mode for drawing. Try to imagine how you'd have to position them for your typical use cases and if one has the buttons in positions you're not used to or if maybe the thin side of the bezel is on the "wrong" side for you.
That doesn't replace trying such things out, but you can maybe avoid buying something that looks good on paper and fits the bill, but then turns out to be hard to get used to for minor stuff.

[Aicent]

I consider the HP 27xxP the best all-around you can get, especially if one can afford the slice battery, base, and dock. An outstanding system...

Can you tell me more specifically what makes the HP27XXP the best ?
And also explain the terms slice battery base and dock ?XD

[Aicent]

The modular bay is very nice feature, especially as the second battery adds nothing to the outlines of the device, although you don't seem to care about that so much. Of course for the optical drive the same applies.

But Shog has a valid argument, imo, for artists concerning the non flush bezel. I don't mind it for taking notes, but that's a personal preference.

All three are good choices and have basically the same tech under the hood. You can't really pick something bad out of those three. If I were in your *****, I'd look round the forums for details about the screens, because that's an essential part and it might differ quite a bit. One obvious difference is the Lenovo's different aspect ratio.
The reason I asked specifically about the optical drive is because if there's absolutely no way around it being internally possible, the Fujitsu is your only choice. If it is not and one of the other units features a substantially better screen, you'd have to decide where to take the drawback in comparison.

If you haven't done it already, also browse through the spec sheets and product photos of the units. If you use OneNote heavily and have experience with art programs, you should have your personal workflow already. So also look what buttons all three offer and how they are propositioned in tablet mode for drawing. Try to imagine how you'd have to position them for your typical use cases and if one has the buttons in positions you're not used to or if maybe the thin side of the bezel is on the "wrong" side for you.
That doesn't replace trying such things out, but you can maybe avoid buying something that looks good on paper and fits the bill, but then turns out to be hard to get used to for minor stuff.

Thank you for taking the time to read my post

Not to sound uninformed but I know very little about screens and resolutions so I'm afraid I would be lost trying to do research about it.

[Aicent]

I can't stand the bezel lip in the T731. I have a T730 I'm getting rid of for that reason. The 2760p is the best in that group IMO. X220T suffers from a 6 cell that makes it awkward because you can't lay it flat on table. Sucks in portrait mode.

You can get 2760p for like $1000 to $1400 on Ebay. Some refurbs, some open box, but that's hell of savings and you can't tell that it's a refurb.

This one is $1200 and comes with 3 year warranty, but a first time seller.

This one says new for $1375 and the seller is well established. Also with 3 year warranty.

How bad is the bezel ? I f my wrist is goign to be on the screen is there goign to be a huge bend ?

also this http://www.tabletpcreview.com/defaul...ndows+7+tablet says that that there is a space between the tablet screen and keyboard so there is a bend. Is the bevel worse than that ? and once again thank you for reading

[Shogmaster]

I'm making a bigger deal out of the bezel than I should. When you get the jist of it, you might make fun of me. Not a big deal for 90% of the people. It bugs the crap out of me though:



The biggest thing about buying T731 should be making sure that you don't get a TN LCD panel. You have to make sure you are getting the MVA panel (do they offer IPS? I don't know). If you see a T731 for $1300 or so, that's using a TN panel. I think you have to spend above $1500 for the MVA/IPS. HP 2760p and Lenovo X220T don't offer a TN panel.

[Aicent]

I'm making a bigger deal out of the bezel than I should. When you get the jist of it, you might make fun of me. Not a big deal for 90% of the people. It bugs the crap out of me though:



The biggest thing about buying T731 should be making sure that you don't get a TN LCD panel. You have to make sure you are getting the MVA panel (do they offer IPS? I don't know). If you see a T731 for $1300 or so, that's using a TN panel. I think you have to spend above $1500 for the MVA/IPS. HP 2760p and Lenovo X220T don't offer a TN panel.

Thank you that is releiving . Because I really do need that optical drive because I have spent lots and lots of money on many Great Courses DVDS and would like to watch them without purchasing a bulky dock on an Hp 2760 witch I probably can not afford.

Can you tell me something more about the TN and LCD Panels and Mva and IPS ?
and how to make sure I get MVA if that is best ?

I found one on BestBuy Fujitsu - LIFEBOOK T731 12.1" LED Tablet PC - Wi-Fi - Intel Core i5 i5-2410M 2.30 GHz - T731
and in the display section it says Display Screen Type: Active Matrix TFT Color LCD
Is that good or bad ?

[Shogmaster]

You can read about various types of TFT panels here:
TFT LCD - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

IPS is better than MVA. Both are better than TN, which is the cheapest and the most common type for laptops. iPad uses IPS, which means colors are bright and accurate, no matter what angle you view from. TN will shift colors dramatically as you viewing angle changes.

That Best Buy link does not give you enough info about the LCD to determine which type. You really need the part number. That's why I don't like buying a T731 from Ebay or 3rd party online retailer. If you buy from Fujitsu, you can pay attention to LCD options. Base LCD is TN.

[Aicent]

You can read about various types of TFT panels here:
TFT LCD - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

IPS is better than MVA. Both are better than TN, which is the cheapest and the most common type for laptops. iPad uses IPS, which means colors are bright and accurate, no matter what angle you view from. TN will shift colors dramatically as you viewing angle changes.

That Best Buy link does not give you enough info about the LCD to determine which type. You really need the part number. That's why I don't like buying a T731 from Ebay or 3rd party online retailer. If you buy from Fujitsu, you can pay attention to LCD options. Base LCD is TN.

Thank you for the link I'll be sure to read up

Do you mind telling what exactly the difference between t730 and t731 is ? I can't figuire it out ?
Well I do understand one has the anti microbial thing and the 320 Gb but other than that is there a difference?

[Agent 9]

If you are looking for the best screen quality bar none the top screens are that in the Lenovo X200t or X201t with the Super Bright Outdoor viewable option (when they were brand new you could configure to get that screen for about $425); or a Motion F5/ C5/ F5v/ C5v/ J3400/ J3500 with the base AFFS+ screens or the ViewAnywhere screen option (but these are slates, not convertibles; but with a USB keyboard/ Mouse or even wireless Bluetooth ones and a simple stand you are set to go for heavy typing or comfortable slate use)

Unfortunatly for you you cannot get these new from manufactures (some are older generation models, some are simply way out of your price bracket 'brand new')... basically you will have to look to ebay for used, Refurbished, Open box-new, and you may even find a truly new one listed; in truth the Used machines will be far better off than new ones because the previous owner has likely already seen any issues that are common to happen in the first year or two of a new machine. Also they are much cheaper than they were new and it is also a lot easier to get exactly what you want/ need (in your case something with a near perfect screen)... It may take you a bit to get over the idea of buying new only, but it is better in several ways to buy used -Of the Tablet PC's I've got the HP Tm2 was the only new one I ever got and it cost me way to damn much ($1000) for the machine itself and I've regretted the purchase, while I have gotten all my others for $150-500 (the most recent being the Motion F5 which was "New Open-box" and never even powered on before I got to it, and it has one of the most remarkable screens there is in a Tablet PC [Extreme visual quality even at the most extreme viewing angles, great colors, very very viewable under bright indoor light window light or even outdoors, and very bright]

As for DVD/ CD drive, well you have several options really (some of them IMO are a lot better than in-built DVD systems [primarily to remove the spinning/ vibrating, and noise making DVD drive from the Tablet PC in your hands]: You can go the route of suing a powered USB hub with a USB DVD drive and a decently long USB cable [to Tablet PC> 5' + USB cable> powered USB Hub> USB DVD drive. This also has the advantage because you can connect all manner of USB devices from USB Audio, Video, Keyboards & Mice, and even back-up drives all over one USB cable so its a plug and go setup]; or you can get a Wireless USB adapter [basically a powered USB hub that connects USB devices to your computer via Wi-Fi, its more than enough for things like DVD use]; or even just as others have said; rip the DVD/ CD's content to your computer's internal HDD/ SSD and then use something simple like Magic Disc to 'mount' the DVD/ CD image virtually [advantage of having the data anywhere and whenever, even if you loose the DVD/ CD's]


As for the screens; there are no MVA screens (except some of the older Toshibas I think) it was determined through a few weeks that Fujitsu uses pretty much the exact same Hydis AFFS+ screen as HP uses in the 27x0p line and lenovo used in some of the X200t's and X201t's; IPS has a good number of issues including backlighting problems, image ghosting, and more (among not being that great outdoors at all); I think Lenovo uses good quality PVA screens for their X200t & X201t Supre Bright Outdoor screens; and the difference between the typical AFFS+ screens and those in the Motion Computing slates is that Motion uses some special polarizing layers as well as close bonding techniques and special coatings that the others don't use (the Super Bright Outdoor screen uses the same kinds of layers and enhancers); and outside of a fully rugged convertible/ slate Tablet PC they are the best screens out there...



Overall I'd say the X200 tablet with Super Bright Outdoor screen is your best option [may be hard to find]; next is the X201 tablet with the same option [not as hard to find; it will run a bit hotter and with ~1hr less battery life than the X200t]; then are the Motion computing devices; I'd say try to skip on the X220t, HP's and Fujitsu's because while the screens are good, they are not on par in terms of quality of color, viewing angles or viewability in high light [pictures don't quite capture it, but I have some on my flicker Motion F5 (U7500 update) - a set on Flickr and you can also see some pictures in this thread comparing the X200t SBO screen, Motion AFFS+ to the Fujitsu AFFS+ -which is the better screen on the T731 x200 vs x201


If you have any specific questions or if you want some specific pictures of something please ask away and we'll see what we can do


EDIT: The T730 is the 'previous generation' model from Fujitsu (it has the first gen Core-i processors) and the T731 is the update running the second gen core-i processors (called Sandy Bridge; it is marginally better at best, though it has a slightly better GPU)

[Aicent]

If you are looking for the best screen quality bar none the top screens are that in the Lenovo X200t or X201t with the Super Bright Outdoor viewable option (when they were brand new you could configure to get that screen for about $425); or a Motion F5/ C5/ F5v/ C5v/ J3400/ J3500 with the base AFFS+ screens or the ViewAnywhere screen option (but these are slates, not convertibles; but with a USB keyboard/ Mouse or even wireless Bluetooth ones and a simple stand you are set to go for heavy typing or comfortable slate use)

Unfortunatly for you you cannot get these new from manufactures (some are older generation models, some are simply way out of your price bracket 'brand new')... basically you will have to look to ebay for used, Refurbished, Open box-new, and you may even find a truly new one listed; in truth the Used machines will be far better off than new ones because the previous owner has likely already seen any issues that are common to happen in the first year or two of a new machine. Also they are much cheaper than they were new and it is also a lot easier to get exactly what you want/ need (in your case something with a near perfect screen)... It may take you a bit to get over the idea of buying new only, but it is better in several ways to buy used -Of the Tablet PC's I've got the HP Tm2 was the only new one I ever got and it cost me way to damn much ($1000) for the machine itself and I've regretted the purchase, while I have gotten all my others for $150-500 (the most recent being the Motion F5 which was "New Open-box" and never even powered on before I got to it, and it has one of the most remarkable screens there is in a Tablet PC [Extreme visual quality even at the most extreme viewing angles, great colors, very very viewable under bright indoor light window light or even outdoors, and very bright]

As for DVD/ CD drive, well you have several options really (some of them IMO are a lot better than in-built DVD systems [primarily to remove the spinning/ vibrating, and noise making DVD drive from the Tablet PC in your hands]: You can go the route of suing a powered USB hub with a USB DVD drive and a decently long USB cable [to Tablet PC> 5' + USB cable> powered USB Hub> USB DVD drive. This also has the advantage because you can connect all manner of USB devices from USB Audio, Video, Keyboards & Mice, and even back-up drives all over one USB cable so its a plug and go setup]; or you can get a Wireless USB adapter [basically a powered USB hub that connects USB devices to your computer via Wi-Fi, its more than enough for things like DVD use]; or even just as others have said; rip the DVD/ CD's content to your computer's internal HDD/ SSD and then use something simple like Magic Disc to 'mount' the DVD/ CD image virtually [advantage of having the data anywhere and whenever, even if you loose the DVD/ CD's]


As for the screens; there are no MVA screens (except some of the older Toshibas I think) it was determined through a few weeks that Fujitsu uses pretty much the exact same Hydis AFFS+ screen as HP uses in the 27x0p line and lenovo used in some of the X200t's and X201t's; IPS has a good number of issues including backlighting problems, image ghosting, and more (among not being that great outdoors at all); I think Lenovo uses good quality PVA screens for their X200t & X201t Supre Bright Outdoor screens; and the difference between the typical AFFS+ screens and those in the Motion Computing slates is that Motion uses some special polarizing layers as well as close bonding techniques and special coatings that the others don't use (the Super Bright Outdoor screen uses the same kinds of layers and enhancers); and outside of a fully rugged convertible/ slate Tablet PC they are the best screens out there...



Overall I'd say the X200 tablet with Super Bright Outdoor screen is your best option [may be hard to find]; next is the X201 tablet with the same option [not as hard to find; it will run a bit hotter and with ~1hr less battery life than the X200t]; then are the Motion computing devices; I'd say try to skip on the X220t, HP's and Fujitsu's because while the screens are good, they are not on par in terms of quality of color, viewing angles or viewability in high light [pictures don't quite capture it, but I have some on my flicker Motion F5 (U7500 update) - a set on Flickr and you can also see some pictures in this thread comparing the X200t SBO screen, Motion AFFS+ to the Fujitsu AFFS+ -which is the better screen on the T731 x200 vs x201


If you have any specific questions or if you want some specific pictures of something please ask away and we'll see what we can do


EDIT: The T730 is the 'previous generation' model from Fujitsu (it has the first gen Core-i processors) and the T731 is the update running the second gen core-i processors (called Sandy Bridge; it is marginally better at best, though it has a slightly better GPU)

Wow thank you so much for that information. I just found out my budget is resricted to about 1,500 dollars instead so that rules out some things
I read through it well but I have heard that the battery on the lenovo makes it uncomfortable to hold ? Also I've heard that there is a huge problem with many users that the pen skips and misses it's target when zooming in ?? Also isn't it witj n-trig ?

Also I think it's important that you know when it comes to screen quality, colour etc I am comparing against a Toshiba Portege A605-P200 Laptop