Thinkpad X220 Tablet vs. HP 2760p Tablet?

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    Default Thinkpad X220 Tablet vs. HP 2760p Tablet?

    So in a couple months I will finally have gotten about $1500 which I want to use to buy a new Tablet to replace my Acer One D-250 Netbook (1.6Ghz Atom, 2Gb of ram) and my Asus x83 Gaming laptop (Intel Core 2 Duo 2.2Ghz, ATI 4650 1Gb, 4Gb DDR2) and I was wondering if I should get the Thinkpad X220T or the HP 2760P? I draw a lot and need something that can be held in the hands in Tablet mode well and isn't too heavy, I know they both have the Intel HD 3000 Integrated graphics that's about about equivalent to an Nvidia 9400/9500M or an ATI 5450 which should be close enough to the ATI 4650 in my X83 to play some games (CS:S, WoW, Fallout 3/New Vegas, Killing Floor, Sims 3) at 'Ok' settings, Speaker quality is also an issue, I'd like some speakers that don't sound worse than my damn phone speaker like the one that was in my Fujitsu ST5112 (R.I.P). Viewing angles are a major thing for me and I'm hoping that in this day and age these two tablets have decent enough screens and viewing angles to suit my needs... So which would you guys recommend, the X220 or the 2760p? or something else? Thanks.
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    Default Re: Thinkpad X220 Tablet vs. HP 2760p Tablet?

    Also I might as well fill one of these out for good measure

    1. What is your budget?
    $1000 - $1500

    2. Would you consider purchasing used/refurbished?
    If it was in very good condition

    3. Do you prefer a Slate, Convertible or Ultra Mobile PC (UMPC)?
    Convertible

    4. What size Tablet PC would you prefer?
    Compact ~ 10"
    Mainstream ~ 12.1"

    5. Which country do you intent to purchase from?
    U.S.A.

    6. Do you have any preferences to brand loyalty or dislikes?
    As long as it's a good tablet overall I don't really care.

    7. How many hours battery life do you require?
    5-10+ hours

    8. What will be the primary usage scenario of this tablet?
    Drawing = Main purpose, Light - Medium Gaming, Entertainment.

    9. Do you have an OS preference?
    Don't care, I will be installing Windows 7 Ultimate x64.

    10. What software and tasks do you intend to run?
    MyPaint, Sai, GIMP, Autodesk Maya, Second Life

    10. Do you intend on playing Games? If so please list.
    CS:S, WoW, Fallout 3/New Vegas, Killing Floor, Sims 3
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    Default Re: Thinkpad X220 Tablet vs. HP 2760p Tablet?

    I would say the 2760p because it maintains a very small footprint (the smallest of any business class convertible Tablet PC), while keeping a smooth and even bottom (the X220t has a 'battery hump' that sticks down .5" and out the back 1" which makes it a pain to use -I had a more uniform 'battery hump' on the Tm2 I had previously and it sucked, it always got in the way). then you can get a thin [1/4"] and smooth bottomed slice battery for the 2760p (the Lenovo's is overly large and it is oddly shaped, and the lenovo's does not allow use of the slice battery + dock, while the HP does), as well as a slim dock [1/4"] that is also flat smooth on the bottom (Lenovo's dock is over 1" at the back and it has a angle to it which means only laptop mode is feasible)

    I find the slice battery or the slim dock are often on my 2730p so I can lay it down on any surface and not have to worry about covering the vents, plus it gets the bonus features of either (the slightly more than doubled battery life with the slim battery, or with the full)

    Then there are little things like the HP having a very useful keyboard light (great for typing in a dark room where you need to see better, but don't want to turn a light on/ disturb others), a trackpad with actual buttons (if you are going to try and game on the computer, or even use it for general things, you will want separate buttons as a trackpad with integrated buttons does not allow right click and left click simultaneously, and it is buggy when you want it to be perfect -the X220t has the trackpad with integrated buttons), a screen latch with screen 'catches; on the side (the lenovo has a rather weak mechanical mechanism in the hinge that will give about 10 degrees of movement even when it should be closed/ in tablet mode, the HP will be rock solid -it won't shift around unless you really push it around), and it has a far better screen aspect ration (especially true for a artist, as the HP is a 16:10 ratio with 1280x800, and the Lenovo is 16:9 with 1366x768 so it has 32 less vertical pixels [.3" less of vertical screen space by comparison], that really matters when in portrait mode, and even in landscape mode as it takes away from where there already was little)



    In truth there is even more wrong with the X220t as Lenovo seems to have made a lot of careless choices in putting it together (The HP isn't perfect, but the Lenovo is a lot further from perfect)... I'm sure if you got the Lenovo you would 'be fine with its issues' but I was fine with the Tm2's issues, until I just couldn't stand the stupid choices they made with it (battery hump, no actual screen latch, trackpad with integrated buttons, bad screen, ect...), the HP can come with a AFFS+ screen which is top dog in terms of screen quality, and usability in many situations (the AFFS+ screen is the 'outdoor optional' screen offered by HP, and you can get it with touch; the X220t on the other hand has a IPS screen in all models and it has inferior quality on all fronts -there are tons of posts about this, and user testimony X220T Pen Input Screen Edge Sensitivity? that the IPS in the X220t is significantly worse than the X201t's AFFS+ screen that is very close to the HP's AFFS+ option)


    maybe I'm a bit biased because of my 2730p, but with the 2760p being nearly identical it would quite simply be a stunning machine with pretty much all you could ask for; I don't have a X220t, but from the specs, design, and user impressions it needs to be improved a lot more before it can be taken as a serious alternative to the HP 2760p of the Fujitsu T901 [13.3" screen, one that is always amazing -right up there with AFFS+] or T731 [12.1" screen, the good screen as an option, but it is as good as the T901's screen]
    Current: HP 2730p Win 7 & Linux Mint | Toshiba M4 | Motion M1400 renice 120GB SSD | ITRONIX IX-325 | Motion F5 (U7500 update) | Fujitsu P1620 | T4220 w/SXGA+ 160GB Intel X18-M & 1TB HDD in bay | broken TC4400 [for experimentation] | i5 3570K mITX desktop w/GTX460 | ASUS N10j
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    Default Re: Thinkpad X220 Tablet vs. HP 2760p Tablet?

    ^ how long is the battery life with just the main battery and also with the slice battery?

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    Default Re: Thinkpad X220 Tablet vs. HP 2760p Tablet?

    I can't say for sure that the 2760p will attain the exact same battery life with these batteries, but to give you an idea of what my 2730P will do:

    Main battery (2009, 10.1% wear): 3:30 to 4:00, power saver, Wi-Fi on
    Slice battery (2008, "0%" wear): roughly 10:00 combined with main battery, power saver, Wi-Fi on

    I couldn't believe it myself, but for general viewing, it'll definitely last a while with that slice battery. Increasing the workload would drain the batteries faster, of course, but it's safe to say that you won't be worrying about battery life too much during a work day.

    Also note that these batteries are a few years old, and lithium-ion batteries always deteriorate from the moment of manufacture. A 2760p with brand new, recently manufactured batteries could fare even better. (By the way, they're the same exact batteries used ever since the 2710p. This keeps 2710p and 2730p users from worrying too much about future battery availability...)

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    Default Re: Thinkpad X220 Tablet vs. HP 2760p Tablet?

    Quote Originally Posted by primexx View Post
    ^ how long is the battery life with just the main battery and also with the slice battery?
    I don't think there are any 'official numbers' on the 2760p yet (and I haven't seen any reviews on it), it should be quite similar to a 2730p

    With my 2730p with doing nothing it reports 6hrs at lowest all settings and everything off, it gets about 5 hrs of decent use with wi-fi off @ low brightness, right about 4 hrs of moderate use [little bit higher brightness, wifi on, and actively browsing the web in a few tabs, as well as a few small applications like word open and being used], and the more you do from there the less battery life you get (as it is in my sig, 8GB DDR2 ram, 250GB 5400 1.8" HDD, ect... with only the main battery -which is worn down 6%)... mind you I've done some tweaks and such, though not much

    With the slice battery it is a bit more than double those numbers (my main battery is a 4400Whr battery worn down 6%, and my slice batteries are 4600Whr batteries worn down 1%)... To avoid excessive discharging I first drain the slice battery to about 40%, then take it off, then drain the main battery to about 40%, if I need more juice than that I will put the slice back on and drain it to 20% and then drain the main to 20% and move in increments like that (doing so gives me more than enough battery life to last through most days, and it avoids any unnecessary battery wear -unless I'm mistaken Lithium ion batteries don't wear out as fast if they are usually drained by 60% or less)

    EDIT: gah! beaten to it while spam patrolling... oh well
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    Default Re: Thinkpad X220 Tablet vs. HP 2760p Tablet?

    So overall you guys would recommend the 2760p? Is there any others I should know of?

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    Default Re: Thinkpad X220 Tablet vs. HP 2760p Tablet?

    You could also look into the Fujitsu Lifebook T901 with the NVIDIA NVSTM 4200 option, if you don't mind a size increase to 13.3"...but what I don't know is how well it would fare battery-life wise with the main battery + modular bay battery.

    If I had to pick a Sandy Bridge-generation 12" convertible, though, it would unquestionably be the HP 2760p, especially now that they're using more common 2.5" drives (albeit with a 7mm height limit). Should be easier to get a good SSD that way.

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    Default Re: Thinkpad X220 Tablet vs. HP 2760p Tablet?

    I think 13.3in is too big for me, I had a 14in Toshiba Tecra M7 and it was way too big for what I wanted... Sure wish someone made a 10in convertible like the TC1100 but with modern hardware...

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    Default Re: Thinkpad X220 Tablet vs. HP 2760p Tablet?

    Hrm playing some of the games you quoted you wanted to play or run some of the programs on a 10"... I think that maybe a bit rough. I find my 11.4 inch screen too small most of the time.

 

 

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