Thinkpad X220 Tablet vs. HP 2760p Tablet?

[f4ah]

If I had to pick a Sandy Bridge-generation 12" convertible, though, it would unquestionably be the HP 2760p, especially now that they're using more common 2.5" drives (albeit with a 7mm height limit). Should be easier to get a good SSD that way.

I don't really know what i'm talking about so correct me if i'm wrong..

The x220t is the only one of the three that I can confirm through google searching to support Sata3 ssd's at full 6gb/s speed. Info is a bit scarce on the 2760p and t901 but if they are only Sata2 there will be a significant bottleneck there with some drives currently on the market such as the ocz agility 3. The agility 3's theoretical max read/write is 525MB/s and 500MB/s respectively. Max bandwidth of Sata2 is only 280-300MB/s. It's probably rare that the ocz ssd reaches speeds that fast, just in short bursts on a full moon, but ssd's in the near future might be able to sustain speeds well above sata2 limits. Seems like something worth considering if you're going to drop the big bucks on a tablet and pricey ssd.

[WilliamCarter]

Nah I'll probably stick with the HDD maybe upgrade to SSD later, but I don't think I need anything faster than 300Mb/s though!

[benoit]

I wanna change my hp 2710p for one of these tablets.
The hp 2710p was very quiet. The silence is very important for my job?
Which tablet is the quietest? hp 2760p or thinkpad X220T.
Thanks for your answer!

[NamelessPlayer]

I don't really know what i'm talking about so correct me if i'm wrong..

The x220t is the only one of the three that I can confirm through google searching to support Sata3 ssd's at full 6gb/s speed. Info is a bit scarce on the 2760p and t901 but if they are only Sata2 there will be a significant bottleneck there with some drives currently on the market such as the ocz agility 3. The agility 3's theoretical max read/write is 525MB/s and 500MB/s respectively. Max bandwidth of Sata2 is only 280-300MB/s. It's probably rare that the ocz ssd reaches speeds that fast, just in short bursts on a full moon, but ssd's in the near future might be able to sustain speeds well above sata2 limits. Seems like something worth considering if you're going to drop the big bucks on a tablet and pricey ssd.

That could be a point in favor of the X220t, but my reasons for really not liking the X220t boil down to this:

-Worse screen resolution. 1366x768 is going to be REALLY narrow in portrait orientation, moreso than 1280x800 already is.
-Poor battery design. The main battery doesn't cover the entire back of the system, and the slice battery doesn't cover the entire bottom, either (unlike the X220s).

I'd be highly surprised if any Sandy Bridge-based convertible didn't have SATA III, though. Wouldn't be good design sense.

[MobiusPizza]

I don't really know what i'm talking about so correct me if i'm wrong..

The x220t is the only one of the three that I can confirm through google searching to support Sata3 ssd's at full 6gb/s speed. Info is a bit scarce on the 2760p and t901 but if they are only Sata2 there will be a significant bottleneck there with some drives currently on the market such as the ocz agility 3.

They all use new Intel Q67 chipsets, it is almost 100% certain that they will all support SATA3

[doobiedoobiedum]

I would say the 2760p because it maintains a very small footprint (the smallest of any business class convertible Tablet PC), while keeping a smooth and even bottom (the X220t has a 'battery hump' that sticks down .5" and out the back 1" which makes it a pain to use -I had a more uniform 'battery hump' on the Tm2 I had previously and it sucked, it always got in the way). then you can get a thin [1/4"] and smooth bottomed slice battery for the 2760p (the Lenovo's is overly large and it is oddly shaped, and the lenovo's does not allow use of the slice battery + dock, while the HP does), as well as a slim dock [1/4"] that is also flat smooth on the bottom (Lenovo's dock is over 1" at the back and it has a angle to it which means only laptop mode is feasible)

I find the slice battery or the slim dock are often on my 2730p so I can lay it down on any surface and not have to worry about covering the vents, plus it gets the bonus features of either (the slightly more than doubled battery life with the slim battery, or with the full)

Then there are little things like the HP having a very useful keyboard light (great for typing in a dark room where you need to see better, but don't want to turn a light on/ disturb others), a trackpad with actual buttons (if you are going to try and game on the computer, or even use it for general things, you will want separate buttons as a trackpad with integrated buttons does not allow right click and left click simultaneously, and it is buggy when you want it to be perfect -the X220t has the trackpad with integrated buttons), a screen latch with screen 'catches; on the side (the lenovo has a rather weak mechanical mechanism in the hinge that will give about 10 degrees of movement even when it should be closed/ in tablet mode, the HP will be rock solid -it won't shift around unless you really push it around), and it has a far better screen aspect ration (especially true for a artist, as the HP is a 16:10 ratio with 1280x800, and the Lenovo is 16:9 with 1366x768 so it has 32 less vertical pixels [.3" less of vertical screen space by comparison], that really matters when in portrait mode, and even in landscape mode as it takes away from where there already was little)



In truth there is even more wrong with the X220t as Lenovo seems to have made a lot of careless choices in putting it together (The HP isn't perfect, but the Lenovo is a lot further from perfect)... I'm sure if you got the Lenovo you would 'be fine with its issues' but I was fine with the Tm2's issues, until I just couldn't stand the stupid choices they made with it (battery hump, no actual screen latch, trackpad with integrated buttons, bad screen, ect...), the HP can come with a AFFS+ screen which is top dog in terms of screen quality, and usability in many situations (the AFFS+ screen is the 'outdoor optional' screen offered by HP, and you can get it with touch; the X220t on the other hand has a IPS screen in all models and it has inferior quality on all fronts -there are tons of posts about this, and user testimony X220T Pen Input Screen Edge Sensitivity? that the IPS in the X220t is significantly worse than the X201t's AFFS+ screen that is very close to the HP's AFFS+ option)


maybe I'm a bit biased because of my 2730p, but with the 2760p being nearly identical it would quite simply be a stunning machine with pretty much all you could ask for; I don't have a X220t, but from the specs, design, and user impressions it needs to be improved a lot more before it can be taken as a serious alternative to the HP 2760p of the Fujitsu T901 [13.3" screen, one that is always amazing -right up there with AFFS+] or T731 [12.1" screen, the good screen as an option, but it is as good as the T901's screen]

Good review and information, until I read this post I was looking at either an X220 tablet or a Fujitsu T901 or an HP 2760p tablet - now at least my choice is between a Fujitsu T901 and an HP 2760p..

How do either of these machines deal with large illustrator complex vector files?

I've been happy with my older machines but as my vector artwork requirements have moved up and up recently, I'm finding myself bumping into cpu intensive number crunch files which really slow my older machines down.

[alex.db]

in reality, the only real difference you will notice will come from the processor speed, which when customized, is pretty much the same in both machines.

The big difference between the two is screen size and bulk, with the T901 being large in width, height and depth. If you are going to be using vectors and what-not, I would suggest you use a dedicated graphics tablet and external monitor anyway. I nice wacom intuos4 has 2048 pressure points + tild detection and costs about $350 for a medium size unit (good for monitors up to 30").

Out of the two machines I would say the 2760p is the better though, although I can't personally confirm it, it's apparently got a much "sturdier" feel than the T901. I should have mine in about 2 weeks

[doobiedoobiedum]

To be honest, I have a Wacom Intous that's stayed pretty much in its box for the last 5 years. I knew before I even handed the payment over that I hated the disconnect of looking at the screen while drawing elsewhere.

However, when using illustrator or inkscape (inkscape is the worst CPU hog) I tend not to use pressure sensitivity anyway - so maybe I could look at a large touchscreen monitor to use with my desktop... (designing for print fabric means working in solid tones anyway for silk-screen transfer)

Wonder what the tracking and accuracy is like on those things..

Apologies for derailing. I should start a thread on this.

[alex.db]

To be honest, I have a Wacom Intous that's stayed pretty much in its box for the last 5 years. I knew before I even handed the payment over that I hated the disconnect of looking at the screen while drawing elsewhere.

However, when using illustrator or inkscape (inkscape is the worst CPU hog) I tend not to use pressure sensitivity anyway - so maybe I could look at a large touchscreen monitor to use with my desktop... (designing for print fabric means working in solid tones anyway for silk-screen transfer)

Wonder what the tracking and accuracy is like on those things..

Apologies for derailing. I should start a thread on this.

It's normal when you first buy it to feel awkward when drawing, however if you persist with it you will find it to be a very useful asset.

[doobiedoobiedum]

It's normal when you first buy it to feel awkward when drawing, however if you persist with it you will find it to be a very useful asset.

Thanks but I'm more likely to buy one of those Wacom conversion kits - if I ever find one to trust that is. I originally bought up a tablet pc because I didn't like the disconnect.

I probably never had the patience to persist.