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  1. skisteven1

    skisteven1 Pen Pal - Newbie

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    Jherara -- Do you know if this applies to ALL power cables? or is fujitsu the only company that manages to use this particular manufacturing method that seems kind of dangerous?

    I feel like if this is something that all the computer manufacturers do the same, then it's probably not as bad as fujitsu might be making it out to be. If it's specific to them however, then this could be some serious problems.

    I know there's no way I'll remember to take such care with my power cord every time I touch it (plus I throw it in my backpack or lie it on top of my computer or whatever, and that then could "contaminate" pretty much anything in my house). Do you think you could post here the contact information for the people at Fujitsu that you talked to?

    I'm suddenly much more aprehensive about the expected receipt of my T4215 next friday.
     
  2. P8RSON

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    Fujitsu don't have the monopoly on these cables skisteven1, they are manufactured by an outside source and purchased by not just Fujitsu and not just Tablet/Notebook manufacturers but the industry as a whole.

    It's just that Fujitsu are more forthcoming in their health and safety advertisements.

    Without taking any of the concerns expressed (and rightly so) by Jherara, unless you also suffer from a similar condition, I would not let it concern you that greatly.

    I suppose what we should be saying (and again thank you Jherara for bringing it to our attention) is, with all power cables, be it from this type of industry or to say kettles which have the same cable, we should be more aware and less pragmatic.
     
  3. Dark_Wolf

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    Can't say how vista will run on your machine, but I'm running Vista Buisness on my toshiba and its great. Vista seems to handle tablet functions even better than XP 2005 Tablet Ed, the aero glass looks cool and just feels right, and EVERYTHING is serchable. Every time I use my desktop with XP 64 I just miss the new features of Vista. So, I would deffinetly upgrade. Toshiba has non-beta Vista drivers now, and I would be surprised if Fujitsu-Siemens didn't have them too.
     
  4. alphaswift

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    I'm running Office 2007 on Vista with an R1F without problems. I was running the beta of Office 2007 on XP without problems back in November.

    I'd suggest running XP until spring unless you like tweaking your system a lot. I'm running 32 bit Vista without problems now but it's a bit of a PITA to keep an eye on driver updates.
     
  5. skisteven1

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    aaaaaand that was more or less what I figured, but I wanted to hear it from someone else. thanks!
     
  6. kingmetal

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    I'm running Office 2007 on my T4215 under XP and it's the first MS Office Suite that I am actually planning on buying (all the rest were either gifts, or just plain Open Office). I really like the direction they are heading in with the new suite and I highly suggest you try it out for yourself.

    glad everything seems to be working out for you! if the power cord thing is becomes a serious issue (more serious than it is already, I mean!) you might be able to locate a 3rd party supply. the connector didn't seem all that proprietary, and if I remember correctly (my T4215 isn't with me at the moment) the power specs are rated on the supply. maybe there is a company that specializes in lead-free power supplies?
     
  7. Jherara

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    Hey everyone, to answer the questions about the hazards of using lead containing products:

    One of the major issues with product safety regulations in the US is that the US is NOT as stringent about health safety warnings with products "brought into this country" as other countries AND the US does not issue strong enough penalties to companies.

    What does this mean?

    PVC, toys, jewelry and other imported consumer products often contain lead and are "eventually" recalled as a safety hazard for children. Why children? Children are more apt to put their hands in their mouths or not wash their hands before eating.

    At least that is the primary scenario considered when looking at consumer product safety and lead containing products.

    Therefore, safety of children is put higher on the list than for adults which means that although, THANKFULLY, the health and well being of children is always considered (i.e. removing products for children that contain lead), adult usage and exposure isn't always taken as seriously (i.e. product is allowed for adult usage and only a simple warning is placed on product for the adult to read). As a result, many home products that adults would consider "safe" are actually not when used repetitively or as these products break down over time (i.e. leaving behind lead containing dust).

    Put it this way: you're at a work lunch, everyone's laptops are out and being moved around as the food arrives...did everyone run to the bathroom and wash their hands? Or, you're on a plane working with your laptop, food arrives...did you wash your hands after shutting down your PC and storing away your "cables"??? If you didn't, you just exposed your body to lead (i.e. absorbed through skin and then if eating with your hands...exposure to internal organs through ingestion).

    Either the lead was used to make the cable more flexible and is already exposed or was used for heat transfer and leaks through the cable over time.

    As P8RSON stated, people like me are at a higher risk. With exposure, I would become ill sooner. BUT EVERYONE is at risk for lead absorption and eventual health problems resulting from lead absorption.

    I'm not trying to scare anyone. I'm just stating that there is a reason the company has placed the warning on the box.

    If you have a child, don't let them play with the cables and then put their fingers in their mouth, do not let them put the cables in their mouth, do not handle the cables and then handle your child, do not handle food after handling the cables, et cetera. It's common sense and corporations are not interested in policing their products to make your home a safe place. Corporations are about bottom lines, good images, and making a buck. They place warnings on their products typically ONLY AFTER a complaint has been, someone has become ill, or a new regulation has been passed (i.e. b/c they were required to warn people).

    http://www.cpsc.gov is an excellent site to find more information about common household products that can contain lead. Just do a simple search using the word "lead poisoning" and you'll find a ton of recent listings of toys, jewlery, et cetera that were imported and then recalled b/c of lead contamination. Years ago "mini-blinds" containing lead were pulled from shelves b/c they were a common health hazard as the dust from these blinds had a high lead concentration.

    Here is my personal example of just how little the normal consumer knows about toxins and health risks from products: go to your local HOME DEPOT or LOWES and go through the various packages of electrical tape on the market. On at least one you will see the same "hand washing" label that was on the Fujitsu box. Funny part? Lead isn't typically mentioned - only that a chemical in the product was found "in the state of California to cause harm."

    Why only the "state of California"?

    The reason that "State of California" warnings are now popping up on products all over the country is b/c California regulations are better than the current federal ones. Also, the electrical tape won't have lead mentioned, b/c as long as a company mentions that there is a potential health hazard and how to deal with it, said company IS NOT always required to state the actual item, chemical, or toxin depending on state rules, product type, et cetera.

    My Lowe's electrical specialist was working with electrical tape for a demonstration when I asked for help with the cables. Other funny part? He had always seen the warning, but hadn't paid much attention to it b/c the warning in question focused on two segments of the population "women of child bearing age and pregnant women." Is he at as much risk for lead absorption? YES. But again, the warnings are made vague, specify certain people and leave out certain important pieces of information so that the consumer will buy the product.

    The food industry does the same thing. B/c there has been an increase in allergic reaction reports, last year Pres. Bush signed off on legislation that requires that companies list the TOP 8 allergens on food packages. Why? B/c under the old rules companies could list "whey" and "casein" instead of "milk or derived from milk." Therefore, people allergic to milk were accidentally ingesting and becoming ill from those products. Do companies still use the old practice with allergens or other items that may pose health risks that aren't one of the top 8? YES. For example, monosodium glutamate can now be listed as "nutritional yeast" on packages. As MSG reactions don't occur in everyone or get as many complaints and/or lawsuits resulting from exposure, it is still put in foods and sprayed on crops and the general population isn't given any warnings. YET, why do companies put "nutritional yeast" in the ingredient list if they weren't concerned about the impact on sales? Why are Chinese Restaurants always so adament about their "WE DO NOT USE MSG" if the problem doesn't exist? Again, it comes down to how the US regulates and controls consumer products and how companies try to get around those rules.

    Consumer Reports issued a statement about holiday lighting and lead was included in that report as a "leeching issue."

    http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/...PageIndex=1&resultIndex=2&searchTerm=lead pvc

    Anywho, I hope the above helps. I wouldn't worry about using your Fujitsu, but you should still wrap the cable with a non-lead containing product.

    After all, if there wasn't an associated health risk - why "wash your hands"??

    Hope this helps!!
     
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  8. Jherara

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    Kingmetal: I just read your response while posting my reply.

    Thanks for the info on Office 2007! :) Which version are you planning on buying, if you don't mind my asking? I was on Microsoft's website, but couldn't tell which one would work with Tablet XP (or do they all??).

    As for the lead...I re-considered today how I'm going to handle that. I've temporarily fixed the problem with non-lead containing flex tubing, but I'd really like to just see if I can find alternative cables...and you're right...the cables look pretty standard....so I'm going to start looking into that. I know that these type of cables are pretty much standard with computer manufacturers, but I know that other electronics manufacturers have moved away from it.
     
  9. kingmetal

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    keep us posted on lead-free cables if you can find any!

    as for the Office pack that is right for you: that's basically going to depend on what applications you need! as far as I know there are no tablet-centric features that come with any of the more expensive editions, so if the Home version has the programs you want to use then it should suffice. anything XP compatible will work under Tablet XP so don't worry about compatibility.

    thanks for bringing the lead issue to our attention (and in such great detail!) it was a great read and I'm going to try to be more aware of my personal lead intake/exposure!
     
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