What Do You Want in the Surface Book 2

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  1. chongsen

    chongsen Pen Pal - Newbie

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    Which one to preorder ?

    GTX 1060 15 inch surface book 2 or
    fanless i7 13 inch surface book 2 ?
     
  2. alextrela182

    alextrela182 Scribbler - Standard Member Senior Member

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    Wow just WOW
    OMG!!!

    Are we sure about lack of thunderbolt usb c port???

    According to CNET there’s Thunderbolt support.

    Maybe I’m wrong at the end.

    According to Techradar there’s no thunderbolt support.

    http://www.techradar.com/reviews/microsoft-surface-book-2

    It’s really BIG BIG SHAME on MS.



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  3. jhoff80

    jhoff80 Scribbler - Standard Member Senior Member

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    Yes, definitely only USB-C and not Thunderbolt.

    To give credit where it's (finally) due (and also with the admittance that this product just isn't for me in the first place), I'm glad Microsoft finally added a USB-C port and that it can be used for charging. That being said, it makes more sense to me if it was on the tablet portion instead of the keyboard portion. I mean, ideally both places, but especially the tablet portion.

    The reason I say this is although USB-C is capable of providing 100W of power, the max currently available is Apple's 87W USB-C charger. The Book charger is 95W according to Ars Technica (for the Book 1, but it seems likely they'd be in the same ballpark for Book 2), partially because it has to power and charge the much more power-hungry GPU base. The tablet portion, on the other hand, has much lower power needs. To me, a lower powered USB-PD charger for 'on the go' scenarios with only the tablet, and the 'full' charger for when using it in a more capable mode with the GPU just makes more sense.

    But then as I mentioned, this device isn't for me anyway, so what do I know. I'm probably on the other end of the spectrum these days with my 10.6" Core M PC. :D
     
  4. alextrela182

    alextrela182 Scribbler - Standard Member Senior Member

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    Total unacceptable and ridiculous!!
    Wha were they thinking.


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  5. JoeS

    JoeS I'm all ears Senior Member

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    Over on Ars Technica a commenter explained why we cannot have dGPU and TB3 with the choice of a 15W CPU, see here.
     
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  6. sonichedgehog360

    sonichedgehog360 Editor-in-Chief of TechAndTiny Senior Member

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    That is exactly why. All of Intel U-class CPUs only allow for up to 4 total PCIe lanes even though there are technically 12 “advertised” PCIe lanes internal to the SoC, which are unfortunately reserved for other onboard functionality. What all this means is AMD’s Raven Ridge has a nice void to fill and hopefully that means a Thunderbolt 3-enabled AMD tablet will eventually become a reality. Following typical AMD fashion, Raven Ridge will be minimally as robust as the outgoing predecessor Bristol Ridge. Note that Bristol Ridge and its successor Raven Ridge support DisplayPort 1.4, means many more displays and higher refresh rate and higher resolution daisy chaining! Here is what the current AMD Bristol Ridge APUs (which cost less than $100, a far cry from Intel’s exorbitant $300+ mobile CPUs!) support according to AnandTech’s Ian Cutress:

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  7. dstrauss

    dstrauss Comic Relief Senior Member

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    So, are you saying they couldn't replace the proprietary docking connector with Thunderbolt 3 and glue all this together, especially externally to the dock? In that Ars Technica example, how is it Apple squeezes in FOUR Thunderbolt 3 ports with full 4-PCIe lanes each and still supports dGPU from AMD?
     
  8. Azzart

    Azzart Late night illustrator Senior Member

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    Because the Macbook doesn't sport a low power U serie cpu. :D
     
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  9. convergent

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    Anyone still think Microsoft is pulling out of the Surface line?
     
  10. JoeS

    JoeS I'm all ears Senior Member

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