Wacom Cintiq alternatives - A closer look

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by whazzup, Dec 14, 2011.

  1. sonichedgehog360

    sonichedgehog360 AKA Hifihedgehog Senior Member

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    I would really like to go and do it, but other time commitments combined with a complete lack of documentation online make it nigh impossible for me at the moment.

    I think I will hold off for the time being for the fact that I just received word that XP-Pen confirmed on Amazon's Q&A that they have a 4K graphics tablet planned to compete with the Cintiq Pro:

    https://www.amazon.com/ask/answer/Mx14WTF1D3EPFWH
     
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    Fantastic! Thanks for digging that out.
     
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    Sorry again for the delay, i initially wanted to reply to one bit as the Cintiq has still been sitting in a corner of 'my' (temporary-little) desk there isn't a lot more i could say for now.

    Yes when i mentioned my initial 'test' ('first impression') about the Wacom 16, drawing zoomed out and trying to draw tiny/details was the first (and almost only) thing i did with the Wacom16 just to be sure it was an improvement over the XP-Pen, that the difference in price was worth it... or i could return it too

    And again it really seems similar to my 2015's TPYoga 12's experience or to the Galaxy Book 10...
    But i'm still really not confortable being definitive about anything, I barely doodled with it

    The comforting thing i guess was to be back to a Wacom EMR's feeling. Hence at least not expecting really big surprises/something very unusual.

    (I mean, Wacom EMR or Apple AES, one or the other, to me, it's fine. Guess they both feel like 'home' now. While Procreate is a great selling point on the iPad and for instance Sketchbook Pro is also a lot more practical to use on iPad, I don't see myself doing any 3D or stuff with a convoluted workflow on something else than a PC.)

    About air gaps again, the Wacom 16 hasn't less gap than my TPY12, it could possibly even be more. Although my Samsung Galaxy 10 has way less air gap than both the TPY12 and Cintiq 16.


    And mentioning the 2018 iPad (owned very briefly before my Mini 5) i started borrowing one from someone to use it a bit again, now that i've had more time with the Mini 5. I was wondering if the difference in display (laminated etc) /really/ mattered, was really that much important. But maybe... maybe just wanted to use Procreate again on a bigger display.

    I remember you mentioned one problem with lines (i saw the pics) on your 2018's ipad & i found it strange.. Because it's not something i had/that happened with mine.
    Is it only your device/Pencil or is it common? It's not all 2018 iPads+Pencil? Because then i'm surprised...

    Anyway, too many devices and i end up doing more maintenance or more testing than digital drawings/paintings/etc that it's absolutely silly.
     
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  4. crazycat

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    @wytn
    Thanks for the detailed experience. I have given up on the XP-pen for now until they fix the cursor drift when pen rotate. The issue shown in a video by an Amazon reviewer here:, and it's likely the reason for inaccurate sketching. Wacom probably is still King in that regard.
    *Edit: my Apple pencil on ipad experience is still bad with fish hook and line wiggle. I'm not sure if it's my pencil or ipad, i tried replacing the pen tip and it didn't help. The only app work well with it is Medibang with stabilizer on.(CSP is better but I refuse subscription)

    By the way, Gaomon is having an upcoming similar device for cheaper price and more buttons with dial ring. The rest is similar with the Xp-pen 15.6 pro.
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    FHD, Bonded display, 88%NTSC, battery-free pen with tilt and all that good stuff.
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    I wonder if they fix the cursor drift when pen tilt problem hmmm..
     
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  6. crazycat

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    I actually found that model on pre order in China. Honestly though, even with more features, a display over 20" and still 1080p can't be called pro in 2019, especially when people have been spoiled by high res iPad (even the cheapest basic iPad is higher res than 1080p). If only they can make it at least 2.5k... 1080p is only still good on sub 16" IMO.
     
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    Agreed, strange that it's taking them so long to break through 1080p. I'd be happy with 1440p at that size.

    By the same token I have to say, I've been looking for years at the Dell Canvas, but 1440p at 27" at that price is starting to look rather antiquated...
     
  8. Marty

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    It's just panel supply; 1440p panels are actually rather niche, just look at your average retailer and see how many of them there are.

    1080p on the other hand has been overstock for years now, especially at 21". I'd estimate they're probably a third or forth the cost of a 1440p panel for these Chinese OEMs.

    At this rate, we'll probably see 4K options before we see 1440p options, since 4K panel supply is just starting reach saturation (and these can come with touch ;)). An example of this is the Sefree Apollo, which debuted at $600 for 27" 4K, and they talked about creating a 32" variant on Indiegogo.

    Let's hope this is a start of a new wave of drawing displays out of China. :thumbsup:
     
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    Aren't the first models supposed to ship soon?

    I'm a little skeptical of the digitizer tech....I hope we get to see a review of the finished product soon.
     
  10. Marty

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    So guys, a little bit of an interesting update. I stumbled upon a press release confirming that XP-Pen is indeed a subsidiary of UGEE:

    (XP-PEN)
    "To further develop better products, improve the customer experience, and follow the demand of the market, In 2019, XP-Pen's parent company, Ugee Technology Co., Ltd. completed a merger into Hanvon Ugee Technology Co., Ltd....With this merger, XP-Pen can better capitalize on the mutual integration of hardware, software, and overall technical strengths of both Hanvon and Ugee."

    This would explain why XP-Pen had nearly identical products on essentially the same release cycle as UGEE products. (It also explains why Hanvon-branded products mysteriously disappeared from the market, as they were completing a merger with UGEE.)

    Heartened by this information, I decided to give another go and installing XP-Pen drivers on my UGEE tablets. (The XP-Pen English driver page is much better organized and updated that UGEEs, so it would be a huge benefit to be able to use those drivers instead of hunting on Chinese forums, etc. ;))

    The astute among you may remember @crazycat and I tried doing this before, back when the new passive EMR styluses by UGEE/XP-Pen were just hitting the market. Previously, we didn't have much success (very beta/buggy software at that point), but I'm happy to report the XP-Pen drivers have come a long way!

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    Here you see that not only do the drivers work with a lot more options than before, it also correctly recognizes my tablet as the "EX08" (UGEE name) as opposed to the "DECO 01" which is XP-Pen version of same tablet.

    Based on this, I'd say that UGEE/XP-Pen have now fully integrated their driver/controller firmware together and we can now enjoy full cross-compatibility! :thumbsup:

    Also check out the new features in the control panel! It now support for portrait orientations (which requires a hack with Wacom), custom active area mappings with precise coordinate readouts, as well easy import/export of settings. Great work, XP-Pen/UGEE team!

    So if you've got either UGEE or XP-Pen products, I highly recommend you check out their latest drivers. Great news for all budding artists! :vbwink:
     
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