ThinkPad X1 Tablet (2016)

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  1. kvoram

    kvoram Scribbler - Standard Member Senior Member

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    The SlashGear review is quite superficial, so I wouldn't read too much into that one.

    Anyway, I guess the keyboard is quite similar to the Surface Pro line or the Elite X2. For me that means somewhat ok, but nothing to write home about. I really wish we would have more 2-in-1 devices with proper keyboard docks like the Lenovo Helix, Toshiba Z20t or the Surface Book.

    Here is another video review that shows some practical aspects:


    That one also shows that the keyboard does exhibit some significant flex when pushing down on it. On the other hand the "opposite" kickstand design does seem to offer better lapability.

    And yet another review, skip to 4:30 for some benchmarking stuff:


    And the written review from MobileTechReview is up:
    http://www.mobiletechreview.com/notebooks/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X1-Tablet.htm
     
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    I would add Thunderbolt 3 as another thing to differentiate them. TB3 doesn't matter if you intend to use the device only on its own, but it makes for some great docking capability and graphics upgrades in the future.

    As for screen protectors, take a look at Photodon's offerings. They are quite popular, have a lot of different coatings from very glossy to very matte and you will find some comments on them around here. They also offer sample packs for a few bucks so you can find out which one you might like.
     
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    ernesto71 Chi trova un amico trova un tesoro

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    Totally Agree! Thanks!
     
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    Here we go with another review, this time from PCWorld:
    http://www.pcworld.com/article/3068...gn-makes-up-for-performance-shortcomings.html

    At a Glance
    • PCWorld Rating 4 out of 5 stars
      Pros
      • Superbly designed kickstand makes lap use comfortable again
      • Dual pen loop/holders actually secure the pen, unlike competition
      • Traditional ThinkPad keyboard performs respectably
      Cons
      • A little slower than the competition
      • Trackpad and pen could improve
      • Pricey enough that you'll want your company to pay for it
    What is interesting about this review is that they also just tested the HP Elite x2 with almost the exact same specs (CPU Core m5-6Y54 vs m5-6Y57). This makes for some nice performance comparison between the Elite x2 and the X1 Tablet. Unfortunately it looks like Lenovo handicapped the the Core M in their X1T somewhat, as the same-specced Elite x2 outperforms the X1T by 6-24% in those benchmarks.

    It will be interesting to see what Notebookcheck's benchmarks will show, as they have the most complete benchmarks for 3:2 tablets and they are currently testing the X1 Tablet as well.
     
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    ernesto71 Chi trova un amico trova un tesoro

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    Thanks for the great review.
    I just have one question if you know. Can tablet support both SATA and NVMe SSDs? I am asking this if I buy X1 tablet with SATA SSD can I later put NVMe SSD (or vice versa).
     
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    Well, only Lenovo can give you the real answer, but I guess this will be no problem. Lenovo's official documents don't say anything about that. Their FRU BOM list doesn't make any differentiation regarding that for the mainboards:
    https://download.lenovo.com/parts/ThinkPad/x1tablet_frubom_20160330.pdf
    Source: https://support.lenovo.com/de/de/documents/pd100192

    And the PSREF sheet also only says:
    Storage
    Some: M.2 SSD / SATA 6.0Gb/s
    Some: M.2 SSD / PCIe NVMe, PCIe 3.0 x 4, 32Gb/s
    WE: http://www.lenovo.com/psref/pdf/Think_Tablet&Convertible_WE.pdf
    US: http://www.lenovo.com/psref/pdf/Think_Tablet&Convertible.pdf


    Hehe, probably within the next two weeks ;) They have had it in their upcoming reviews list for a couple weeks now. I remember when they did that with the Elite X2 the actual review appeared some four weeks later. A couple days ago they also wrote in their forum that it is currently being reviewed by their US colleagues. Patience you must have!

    Some additional fodder in the meantime: https://www.gottabemobile.com/2016/05/21/lenovo-thinkpad-x1-tablet-review/

    I would like to see some review with those modules actually. I think I read somewhere that Lenovo would release those in June, but since no reviewer has one, I highly doubt this. Typical Lenovo, delay, delay, delay...
     
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    While I liked some things about the X1 Tablet, the review pretty much confirmed my previous reservations.

    The most important things I take from this and other reviews of it:
    - the display is rather bad, super-reflective, not very bright and flickering/PWM
    - yet another Core m7 that isn't worth the additional money
    - medicocre battery life
    - and from my own point of view modules that weren't really designed with the user in mind.

    I'll probably cross it off my potential shopping list...

    Generally speaking, for me the most interesting thing with tablets nowadays is the thermal engineering.
    IMHO, Microsoft are the best at that. I have seen several reviews where the m3-powered SP4 beats the m5 and m7 versions of other manufacturer's tablets.
    The X1 Tablet is just case in point. Even though Lenovo seems to have increased the TDP, it doesn't show much in the performance department.
    It is also interesting to compare it with HP Elite X2 1012, which was also tested by Notebookcheck (http://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-Elite-x2-1012-G1-Convertible-Review.164293.0.html).
    Even though the Elite X2 was tested with the m5 version, it also outperforms the m7 of the X1 Tablet in several benchmarks.

    I would be really curious to see benchmarks of the m7 in the Elite X2, because while that m5 performs well, the m7 in the similar Spectre x2 performs rather poorly. Not sure if the Elite x2 has superior cooling compared to the Spectre X2?
     
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