Thinkpad P50 with ThinkPad Pen Pro (Wacom AES)!?

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  1. AnnAAyms

    AnnAAyms Pen Pal - Newbie

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    She didn't say if she got ECC ram or not I thought the Xeon could be configured with either. As far as "64GB of RAM for what? Total waste." There though you are totally wrong. Even if her software usage doesn't use that much real ram she can always turn most of that into a ram drive which is both much faster than a SSD and doesn't suffer wear like a SSD does.

    Also to "I would never consider a touch and penabled device running Windows 7" that is also wrong going with Windows 7 is NOT a bad ideal. With windows 7 you know you have a stable matured system but with Windows 10 you can't be sure if a Microsoft update and new feature change will bork something especially since Windows 10 is more a service now than as just an OS. This is a legitimate concern especially if one is using it for real work. The only thing I think that might make Windows 10 worth it is if one needs DirectX 12. The possible issues and policy changes Microsoft implemented with Windows 10 are significant and one shouldn't just upgrade unless they are sure it is what they want. Serious XoeisCool please research before deciding to upgrading to Windows 10. If she was getting a handheld tablet/hybrid for note taking than the upcoming features might be worth it but for her planned usage from her other post make me certain that the upgrade will be more headache than benefit.
     
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    Shogmaster Pen Pro - Senior Member Senior Member

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    How about this then? getting 64GB of RAM from Lenovo is total waste. Did you see what they were charging for RAM? Get it home with minimum RAM from Lenovo and pack it yourself with more reasonable price for DDR4 from newegg or something.
     
  3. AnnAAyms

    AnnAAyms Pen Pal - Newbie

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    "How about this then?..." That I completely agree. Only potential counterarguments would be either if it was hard to get to the ram I.E. if it was manufactured so you have to practically disassemble half of it to get to the ram slots or if the person rather the over charge than the effort of doing it themselves.

    Edit: I don't personally know how difficult or easy it is to get to the ram on these particular models.
     
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    Well, lets say that if you ever think you want to use the touch feature of your display, you better forget it altogheter with windows 7: it's capable of recognizing touch, but it's not touch ready like 8.1 or 10
    If I remember correctly even Photoshop touch gestures don't work in windows 7.
     
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    I'm willing to bet it's easy enough to get into. You don't make a laptop with 4(!!) SoDIMM slots and make it difficult to get to.

    Also, more RAM isn't always necessarily a good thing. Certain apps have limit to the amount of RAM it can utilize. So if your apps can only use 32GB of RAM max, but you have 64GB in there, is that necessarily the smartest thing to do? Sure you can argue running multiple apps at once is good enough reason, but honestly that's not a great excuse.

    In any case, the configuration that was posted seemed like a jacked up just for the sake of jacking the specs. That's my $ .02.
     
  6. AnnAAyms

    AnnAAyms Pen Pal - Newbie

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    I double checked and from what I've read it seems you are correct about Photoshop's touch limited to Win8 and later. The "if you ever think you want to use the touch feature of your display, you better forget it altogheter with windows 7" though is pure hyperbole. It isn't like touch and multi-touch aren't recognized at all or that other (more competently written) software won't recognize it. Windows 7 even does have some features and gestures for touch built in. That being said/written it is likely a moot point anyway. If it was a conventional tablet then maybe I think the touch features would be desirable but since it is a nonconvertible laptop form-factor with constant access to the keyboard for hot keys I'm not sure if the touch features in Photoshop will be more than a gimmick, plus gorilla arm.

    For clarity I'm not completely against Win10 but there are negatives and risks to it too that should be acknowledged when deciding if to "upgrade".

    Edit: didn't see the reply posted as I was typing the above so in reply "I'm willing to bet it's easy enough to get into." I hope so and suspect so but until it is confirmed one shouldn't feel certain since manufactures have done similarly anti-consumer things before. As far as the unused ram in software as I wrote in the earlier message it can be used to make a ramdisk. As in a virtual temp drive that is very fast and wear free (but risky to loss if the machine crashes). If you've never heard of a ramdisk I recommend reading up on it as it can be very useful.
     
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    This wouldn't be an upgrade. The P50/70 are machines designed and optimized to run Windows 10. You can be sure that some functionality would be lost downgrading the device to Windows 7.
     
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    Well, they are also made and designed for Windows 7 as well. Windows 10 will be the exclusive OS for next years models, but this years Skylake models are the last ones actually designed for Windows 7 as well (and the Convertible models for 8.1, for that matter).
     
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    I stand corrected! (But I still think Windows 7 sucks for pen and touch users!)
     
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    AnnAAyms Pen Pal - Newbie

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    "optimized to run Windows 10" is such marketing BS if there are proper drivers for all the hardware and Win7 is downright supported and it even can be selected as an option directly when custom ordering from Lenovo, so absolutely no to the "You can be sure that some functionality would be lost" unless you can name something specific that isn't simply a feature of Win10 itself I'm calling BS. It sounds/reads like she specifically choose the Win7 option and I think that was a very good choice. Anyway if one later changes their mind one can "upgrade" in the future. It is easier to install a newer version on top of an old version of Windows than to do a clean install of an older version. Also I know Win7 is fine for pen if it is meant for actual creation and not just putzing around especially when a keyboard is constantly accessible. Plenty of others have also had no problems with Win7 when making real art with a pen.
     
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