ThinkPad Helix looks promising

Discussion in 'Lenovo (IBM)' started by JoeS, Oct 21, 2012.

  1. Steve B

    Steve B Moderator Moderator

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    I agree about price. If the S7H is 1200$, I expect this to be atleast as much, if not more-- you'll be paying more for brand loyalty, enterprise-level service, and built quality.... assuming it's as good as the X-series. But yeah- iCore, perhaps Wacom, silo on slate, dock with extra battery, ports on both-- I'd presume something more than 1200$, honestly. Perhaps more like the q702, which ran 1500$ or so.

    If the hypothetical specs are true, and they keep it down to 1200$, I'll be pleased, honestly. That's a good price for something in the x-series line that's also a detachable, and which seems to have all the things we're looking for.
     
  2. bloodycape

    bloodycape Scribbler - Standard Member Senior Member

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    I take this is going to be ULV i core cpu, and not some how a full voltage cpu, like the current X series?

    A bit OT, but does Intel still make LV cpus? I know the X series had LV option for a while.
     
  3. Bronsky

    Bronsky Wait and Hope. Senior Member

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    Nope.

    This does look interesting. A W8 Pro Tablet with a Thinkpad Keyboard is a great combination for a business hybrid. If it's available before the Surface Pro, I'll probably give it some serious consideration.

    I think that's the Ideapad hybrid in that video. I don't see the thinkpad button in the keyboard.
     
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  4. Erik Latranyi

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    THIS is how Microsoft destroys Apple........multiple form factors, configurations and processors. The public can choose whatever fits their needs and budget the best.
     
  5. Sandiegosd

    Sandiegosd Pen Pal - Newbie

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    The third pic says the Lynx is priced at ¥3800(chinese currency) ~=$600, and it estimates the Helix to be above ¥8k (~$1270)

    Man...I wish i could get this thing for 1270! I'm all in
     
  6. tabletartist4d

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    ugh this is killing me. I was pretty much set on either the surface or the ativ pro. The surface for build quality but slightly leaning towards the ativ for the keyboard dock and wacom tech. I love my note 2 phone and have faith the ativ will be a great product, but im starting to agree with everyone else about the plastic build. For 1200$ it should be more sturdy than plastic. Also where did the 256gb option go? If the helix is in fact starting around the same price and has the option for a core i7, with wacom then its the absolute winner for me. Im somewhat impatient and almost preordered the ativ pro, but I really think im gonna have to wait this one out so Im confident with my decision. Also Erik was right, im typing this on my macbook air right now, which i will retire to my fiance once I get the proper slate i want. Apple makes great products but im ready to embrace something new, already moved over to android and rarely use my iPad anymore. Really excited for the next few months and the helix, i hope it comes to fruition.

    In this pic it appears to have a flash, which isnt a huge deal but i wondered why none of these slates seemed to have one. This thing appears to have all the bells and whistles.
    http://image20.it168.com/picshow/900x675/20121013/2012101316372282100.jpg

    And in the picture with two silos, one is infact the current line with ntrig tech and the other seems to be wacom on the helix with a samsung s-pen style pen.
     
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  7. digitallysane

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    The keyboard/dock looks to have quite a developed cooling system, that would suggest full-voltage CPU.
    It's quite interesting that while docked the tablet would have better cooling that stand-alone? Maybe it will be throttled when not docked, in order to have a longer battery life?
     
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  8. dceggert

    dceggert Moving 'up' from iPAQ Senior Member

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    Well, all I can say is that you need to be careful and take some deep breaths There is always something 'just around the corner' that looks better, specs better, makes you second guess your plans. Just about the time you decide to hold off to get more data on the Helix there will be something leaked about HP, Dell, or Motion. It is a never ending game of 'whack-a-mole.'

    Emotion runs high and I suggest you instead make a list! A list of features that is ...those that are 'required' for your future device, and those that are 'wants.' Then, when you read about stuff or see leaks about devices, compare the device to your list to see if it meets the feature needs and wants. If it does you have your device and can stop looking. If it does not meet your needs/wants you discard AND NEVER LOOK AT IT AGAIN.

    This Helix is going to be way beyond most people's needs with the i7 CPU, and with it will be a price that is way beyond what most want. It is good to see someone like Lenovo really spiking the football though, as that will bring product plans out of the closet that others may be putting off thinking there was no market. A slate version of a HP 2760P like device jumps to the forefront of my mind on this...something people have been clamoring for years for! Go Lenovo!
     
  9. Steve B

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    Ah, I hadn't recognized those were fans in the back of the dock to help the slate keep cool. Duh! That's a very neat and simple idea that I haven't seen anywhere. I'm not sure if the whole device will pan out, but there's a lot about the design of the product that seems rather innovative.
     
  10. tabletartist4d

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    Yes I agree, which is why i havent pre ordered the ativ. But in that same sense you have to, at some point just pull the trigger because if you keep waiting for the next big thing, you will wait forever. I do have a list of needs and wants. For me it needs to have an HD screen, wacom, a keyboard dock, and at least a core i5. What I would want is an i7 (not necessary but hey if you can, why not?), and maybe a 256gb ssd, but again im fine with 128gb. The surface seems nice but im not sure about jumping into a new pen tech when i know wacom works amazingly. I even love my note phone with the s pen. I will wait to hear more about the new lenovo line but like i said, i cant wait forever so hopefully details start coming out because at this point its pretty damn obscure. If the rumors and speculation are true, it seems to be the winner for me. Solid build, good processor, wacom, keyboard dock with built in battery. For me HP, Dell, and Motion arent options. HP makes junk unless you buy the buisiness line which runs about $2000 or more. Dell ive had horrible experiences with, and Motion products are way over priced for the specs as well. Lenovo has a pretty good reputation and you can usually get the product you want for around $1200- $1500 depending on specs with discounts on the website.
     
  11. Steve B

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    There's a lot of presumptions going around about specs still, but re: Lenovo- I agree that pricing is usually aggressive, given the common build quality. That's one of the benefits to me.

    I'm still waiting on Motion to put out something newer, thinner, with a real dock, because one of the things I'm looking for is a real outdoor viewable screen. But who knows? I DO think its not a bad idea to wait until atleast most of the big companies put out their first versions of these new types of models-- there'll be upgrades later (as in, what's the major differences between the x201t, x220t, and x230t really?), but these are essentially all entirely new products, and in a rain of tablets too. Thus, the wait for me.... particularly because no one has really released exactly what I'm looking for.

    If something is giving you what you want, then I see no reason to wait. But if its a compromise, I see no harm in waiting before you spend 1000$ or more, personally-- particularly with so many new tablets all coming out at once. Still, if this had a matte, outdoor screen, I'd snap it up.
     
  12. e-schreiber

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    Because it might yield marginal CPU improvement over the i5 CPU, with the undesired side-effect of shorter battety-life, increased heat output, louder fans and higher price. There are compromises to be considered.

    I'm hoping that the Helix will be available with an i5 CPU as well. By the way, I might have missed it, but I haven't seen any clarification on the type of CPU....Is it ULV?
     
  13. Steve B

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    I've seen nothing yet on the cpu either. The truth is I've seen almost nothing in English yet at all. We don't really even know if the pen is Wacom or not-- that's been judged purely by the shape and thickness of the pen.
     
  14. tabletartist4d

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    My understanding (from Shog's comments?) is that the S-Pen tech is the same ol' 256 levels of pressure, and they're just simulating the 1024 levels with software. I've not used a Wacom product with that many levels, so I can't say, but he (and perhaps others?) stated pretty clearly that, for example, the Note 10.1" definitely was NOT as smooth and soft as 1024-level Wacom tablet. So its hard to say on that one.

    The truth is 256 is fine with me. I've got a Cintiq 18sx with 512, and I can't tell the difference. If I had tilt and rotation, that would be different, but the levels of pressure just doesn't mean much to me. What you really need to do is alter the input for the digitizer so that your required input of pressure to make a mark is lower. There's a small program for that. Now I just graze my tablet pc screen and get a nice, fine line. Easily as smooth and delicate as my 18sx. I'm not saying its like a 21" top-of-the-line Cintiq or anything, but it's very nice, IMO, and much much better than before with the OOB settings.
     
  16. Bronsky

    Bronsky Wait and Hope. Senior Member

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    Assuming it's as good as it "seems", the Helix would be a great buy off eBay in a year or two! Same thing goes for the Ativ Pro.
     
  18. Steve B

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    LOL! I like that thinking e-schreiber! That tends to be how I think too. In my mind, I'm like-- well, I could get this in a year...... ahahahaha!
     
  19. bloodycape

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    Helix maybe, but from the sounds of things the Ativ Pro still has questionable build.
     
  20. tabletartist4d

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    yeah i was thinking something along those lines this morning. "if i could just wait a few months after release im sure i can get a couple hundred off". But im impatient sometimes and if you wait too long youre just gonna want the next thing, but who knows im gonna do my best to see what everyone has to offer.

    As far as the pressure levels, im really not the type of person to ever be concerned with that. But i can say i tried out the S-pen on my galaxy note 2 vs the pen that came with my series 7 slate and the s-pen seems to have a more noticeable gradual transition of pressure. It seems like its in the pen itself and the sensor seems like it might be calibrated tighter. The s-pen needs only feather touch to make slight lines but tougher push for the hardest lines and the transition seems more accurate. This is true when using both pens on both devices. I think it was also mostly noticeable in sketchbook mobile. I might try to do some more testing and maybe a video comparison, but i can honestly say i do feel a difference and the pressure of the s-pen feels more natural but the form factor of the original pens obviously feels better in hand and gives you less fatige.
     

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