There is a fair to good chance that I have become an old man yelling at the sky regarding hardware.

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by Shogmaster, Oct 12, 2018.

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  1. Io-T

    Io-T Pen Pal - Newbie

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    Gods I'm so glad I'm not the only one salty enough to preserve fish over this device. It was the first pro level device I got and I was so thrilled to have a real device in the Cintiq line! But no updates ever came and the driver issues became worse and worse until I sold it while it still had value and replaced it with a knock off (Monoprice 22hd) and a Samsung tab A 10.1 combo xD.
  2. NamelessPlayer

    NamelessPlayer Scribbler - Standard Member Senior Member

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    I admittedly knew what I was getting into and used the depreciation to my advantage, because paying under $600 for a battery-powered 13HD touch is a pretty sweet deal, even if the Android side is hideously outdated.

    Even back then, the Cintiq Hybrid owners were pretty upset about the lack of updates, and that was roughly during Lollipop/Marshmallow era. We're now on Oreo/Pie, which is just making things that much worse.

    On top of that, Wacom's own forums got a nasty spambot infestation and wound up being deleted outright, which is what made things difficult for keeping in touch with the other Cintiq Hybrid owners.

    I did find that Wacom's general software neglect allowed towelroot v1 to run, so I know it can be rooted with SuperSU and all. The problem is that I don't even know if the bootloader's locked, since they removed fastboot mode entirely and Wacom never provided a recovery image for the Tegra APX/NVflash mode (hold the top two ExpressKeys if they're on the left when powering it on, and you should see the power LED blink red; connect the USB cable to a PC and you'll see it's in APX mode in the Device Manager), which would do wonders for getting out of a softbrick situation, even if the recovery partition got corrupted too.

    Oh, and the stock recovery is literally useless, too. There is no menu; all you can do is hit the center rocker button or power button to reboot normally. I've never seen such an insanely idiotic implementation of Android before, as if they wanted to risk consumers getting bricked so they can charge hundreds of dollars in service fees just to reflash the bloody thing. (Oh, hey, sounds like the car stealerships yet again...)

    I want to find a way to throw LineageOS on this thing, just to give everyone the OS updates they deserved, but the cards are firmly stacked against me.
    • I don't have their version of the kernel source code (again, a GPL violation), though I could try futzing about with NVIDIA's last commit of the Tegra 4 sources (which are no longer updated after Marshmallow) and hoping I can re-implement the Cintiq-specific bits like the monitor mode switching.
    • As mentioned above, no means of recovery flashing available to consumers in the event of a softbrick.
    • XDA-developers sorts only care about smartphones, usually MediaTek and Qualcomm-based devices, not the few NVIDIA Tegra 4-based tablets.
    • TWRP seems to want a recovery partition that's a few megabytes bigger than your typical Tegra device has it partitioned.
    • I don't have much of a Linux background, let alone setting up an entire compilation/build environment for a modern Android distro and a custom recovery like TWRP just for this one device, where so many things could go wrong if set up improperly. (One word: dependencies.) The guides for porting TWRP expect you to know all of that already, too.
    Most people would just sell the bloody thing and get something that actually does have decent software support, like a Windows-based Companion/MobileStudio Pro, the Surface Pro, or the new Zbook X2. But there's something to be said for the Cintiq Hybrid's lengthy battery life and fanless operation, too. I feel like it'd be far more productive if the software end wasn't a complete afterthought.

    Perhaps I just want to use that mountain of salt that all of us owners have over this situation and overcome all these obstacles out of spite, to show what Wacom could do if they actually cared about it.
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  3. doobiedoobiedum

    doobiedoobiedum Scribbler - Standard Member Senior Member

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    Just watching a range of discussions of various new tablets and the term "thermal throttling" keeps coming up. (I know what it means)

    Seems to me there are going to be bigger and bigger sacrifices to be made as the demand for the latest CPU drives the market but those same CPUs have to be held back more and more in the ultra-thin and ultra light tablet / 2in1 category.

    Mind you - I think it's really hard in the niche "artist" category to produce ONE machine at a good price that makes all artists happy. We all want different size, we all want different specs and we all ink / draw or paint differently depending on the software we use that pays our bills.
  4. sitongia

    sitongia Scribbler - Standard Member

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    Hardware trends are interesting to watch. They are almost like organic life. It's a rich ecosystem. It would be cool if someone created an animation of the branching and pruning of the tree of evolution of hardware. You're reference to Idiocracy is suburb for a comparison of life and hardware: they could both end up in the same place. Then, the next step in (d)evolution would be AI and self-aware robots dumb themselves down. That could be a sci-fi plot: what's beyond Idocracy is humans are replaced by AI, but AI eventually dumbs down until life exceeds and replaces it. It's an endless cycle. Okay, I digress...

    Last year, I decided that I wanted to get a desktop to host a GPU. I was very surprised to discover Micro Center in south Denver. I didn't think there were any stores like the old days where you would walk in and buy components to use in putting together your own PC. I worry that that avenue will disappear. To some extent, they have always screwed themselves. Components become obsolete quickly and you end up replacing motherboards, CPUs, RAM... all that is common is the chassis and power supply.

    Eventually, quantum computing will replace all this hardware. Your computer will be a superposition of wave functions of the cloud, your neighbor's pornstation, commercial adservers. Is your CPU dead or alive? You won't know until you open the box and replace it with the latest and greatest 8 qubit processor with 128K qubits of *really* random access memory. Don't forget your infinite improbability (hard) drive. Put your overalls back on because you're a quantum mechanic now!

    Until we are uploaded into the singularity, there will continue to be hackable parts to the world.
  5. Shogmaster

    Shogmaster Pen Pro - Senior Member Senior Member

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    I will see your quantum computer with the snot storage (protein/dna data storage)
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