Surface Studio / Studio 2 Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Microsoft' started by kvoram, Oct 26, 2016.

  1. surfaceproartist

    surfaceproartist Scribbler - Standard Member Senior Member

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    I'm embarrassed to say I forgot to do the slow diagonal line test. It's never been something that bothers me because I have a very hard time when I try to draw so slowly. Based on Shog's comments, perhaps they've improved the issue but I can't say one way or the other.
     
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  2. Azzart

    Azzart Late night illustrator Senior Member

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    That's great to hear.
    One thing I was thinking is if there is or there will be a way to make the dial act like a radial menu with nested submenus. Just like wacom's or the the one developed by Incrediclint.
    That would be something I could use alongside the expresskey remote.
     
  3. Azzart

    Azzart Late night illustrator Senior Member

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    I remember it was something bothering me even drawing at a normal pace on the sp3.
    It bothers me also with the asus pt201q but I have to admit now that I started using clip studio it has become less of a problem between its options for line stabilization and stroke correction. Works better than lazy nezumi in that regard.
     
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  4. Marty

    Marty Pen Pro - Senior Member Senior Member

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    That is absolutely unbelievable considering the already crazy size of that AES digitizer...

    MS has seriously pushed the boundaries in touchscreen engineering here!

    (And they didn't even brag about it on stage...unlike ahem, some other companies who showed off a lot less today... :D)
     
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  5. surfaceproartist

    surfaceproartist Scribbler - Standard Member Senior Member

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    I've seen a couple of off-hand comments mentioning improved pen electronics. Perhaps they implemented some of the tweaks that Steven Bathiche mentioned on Reddit many moons ago.

    [EDIT] I just looked back and saw that his Reddit comments were made prior to the release of the Surface Pro 4. Anyone remember where he talked about further tweaks since then?
     
  6. Marty

    Marty Pen Pro - Senior Member Senior Member

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    While I'm not sure exactly what comments Bathiche made, I did summarize the new hardware characteristics of PixelSense and the new software-based performance enhancements in Anniversary Update in other threads.

    In particular, MS was supposed to have introduced GPU acceleration for pen with new chipset called the "G5":

    (From Anandtech)
    "Other new features include a custom display chipset which Microsoft is branding the G5. The use of G5 allowed Microsoft to integrate touch and pen support, with Microsoft utilizing a custom solution to help drive down both the pen and touch input latency. They are also leveraging the GPU to accelerate touch and pen input to further drive down latency."

    But a denser digitizer grid makes all those other changes pale in comparison, lol.
     
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  7. Azzart

    Azzart Late night illustrator Senior Member

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    So what? they added a portion of touchscreen.
    Give it time: a strip every year and by 2020 they will have a full touch display. :p
     
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    Marty Pen Pro - Senior Member Senior Member

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    They will have a 28" iPad XXXXL before they put touch on a Mac lol.
     
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    Apple is too lazy to get OSX pen and touch ready. They will simply let you connect iPad Pro Ver2 to your Macs like a Cintiq via Thunderbolt capable Lighting port.
     
  10. thatcomicsguy

    thatcomicsguy Pen Pro - Senior Member Senior Member

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    Actually, I didn't know that Apple didn't have touchscreen laptops until I read it here. What a laugh!

    I went online to see if this was a real thing because it seemed so incredibly silly, (it is a real thing), and found myself answering a Quora question with the following vitriolic grump factor, (largely because everybody was bending over backwards to re-feed themselves the Apple Jacks flavored PR spin about touch screens being a bad design choice. Egad, really? There's nothing quite as annoying as when people can't tell the difference between reality and corporate spin. Doesn't everybody know by now what corporate spin tastes like..? -Well, obviously not, and that's the problem with pretty much everything.., but whatever...):

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    Wow. Nobody is willing to speak to the real reason here?

    That’s hardly surprising.

    It’s not a design issue. God no! -If they told us the real reason, everybody would feel like they’re being exploited, which they are.

    It’s basically this: If they put a touch screen on a Mac, it would be like pulling the first thread. It wouldn’t be long before the whole sweater came undone.

    A touch screen would demand a better OS interface. Providing one of those would quickly dissolve the boundaries between the iPad and their laptop line.

    And while this would shrink revenue from hardware sales, (who needs two iterations of the same device?) that is NOT the reason or the fear staying Apple’s hand.

    It’s all about content!

    Apple doesn’t by default get a cut of any of the media or software which runs on their laptops. (They try, oh they try, but all of that is a knock-on result of their iPad design). By contrast, the iPad was created specifically to give Apple a new revenue stream by taxing media content creators. -That’s a lot harder to do on a laptop with an accessible file system. Apple doesn’t take a 30% cut of Adobe Photoshop sales on their laptops, for instance. But they sure as shucks do take a cut of everything which crosses the screen on their iPads, boy!

    If they merged their product lines, then.., poof! That whole media revenue stream comes under threat. So long as that billion dollar golden goose is laying eggs, Apple will not change their game plan. -THAT is why you’ll never see a stylus or finger-touch screen combined with a real Mac OS. -They know you want one. They know how useful it would be, (despite their line of mild mannered urban aftershave-scented canary poop about design considerations). But sorry, so long as hardware sales are trumped by the gobs of wealth streaming from their media content tax, they will scorn and fire and probably behead the executive foolish enough to threaten to pull that thread and thus unravel the sweater which is keeping them all warm at night.

    And deep down, I think most people know this.

    They just don’t like to say it out loud, quoting made-up reasons instead, because they don’t want to see that Apple never loved them after all. You’re just a taxable money chicken.


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    That wasn't too grouchy now, was it?
     
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