Surface Studio / Studio 2 Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Microsoft' started by kvoram, Oct 26, 2016.

  1. alextrela182

    alextrela182 Scribbler - Standard Member Senior Member

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    Here's a brief benchmark test.
    Current Nvidia 965/980 is far behind the top of the line GPU even for notebook class device.
    http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/gpu

    Bringing 2014 level GPU late 16 we are now is fail.


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  2. ThorntonArtStudio.com

    ThorntonArtStudio.com Scribbler - Standard Member

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    I don't mind specs not being the latest and greatest in a niche product like this. As long as it does the job.

    It could just mean it's polished. Maybe they've been perfecting it in some way.

    Regarding price, they have to charge more. Simple economics. If you're in that smaller market of creatives, aren't you glad they made it? Well...there's a tax.

    If I can do heavy lifting on a Surface Pro 3, you know this thing can handle it. It's probably a beast in comparison.

    And that screen is 3000x4500!
     
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  3. Allarih

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    Mobile 980 is 5th (and very close to 4th and 3rd) and mobile 965 is 8th. Pretty good if you ask me.
     
  4. Azzart

    Azzart Late night illustrator Senior Member

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    Can't agree more.



    Well no, it's the M version so it's 32nd and 54th respectively. ;)
    Edit:
    Nevermind, I noticed now you meant it's 5th and 8th of the mobile ranking!
     
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  5. Mesosphere

    Mesosphere Geek. Senior Member

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    I wonder why they went with the mobile version anyway? Although I guess it makes sense that the performance boost of the desktop versions may not have been considered worth the extra power requirement, heat production and fan noise. At the top end you could get maybe a factor of 2-3x more performance but at the cost of a lot more than 2-3x the power/heat to deal with (diminishing returns), and I imagine for a majority of creative applications that extra oomph isn't really needed. If the response of your brush stroke feels real time, making the GPU 2x faster wont make it feel more real time.
     
  6. Steve S

    Steve S Pen Pro - Senior Member Super Moderator

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    <<...Because the internals are separate from the display (unlike almost every AIO out there), there is a good chance of upgradeability...>>

    ...I've been following this thread and I notice that no one has mentioned that the patent (on which the Studio is clearly based) shows the design to be upgradeable (is that a word?) by modules. If anyone sees a Studio in one of the stores, check the bottom for a connector (or a place where a connector might be located)!
     
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  7. Steve S

    Steve S Pen Pro - Senior Member Super Moderator

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    ...And time for a brief rant about this and a couple of the other threads:

    I'm getting more than a little tired of seeing hyperbolic (that means overly dramatic) comments, made repeatedly by some, about the merits or lack of merits of this or that technical feature. As a long-time tablet advocate, I can assure you that today's tablet and computing world is a virtual nirvana compared to the state of the art just 15 years ago. The term "Fail / Epic Fail" is way overused here with regard to hardware features. It shows a lack of appreciation for what it takes to integrate a complex electronic device, much less what it takes to make that device reliable. System designers have to make a lot of hard decisions and although we early adopters would like to see the bleeding edge of everything, OEMs have to be practical about such little things as sale-ability and recouping investment. So, how about taking a breath and relaxing just a little bit?

    And another thing. Most of us who actively participate in these forums have seen enough of each other's posts to have a reasonable appreciation of personal opinions and "pet peeves." Once an opinion has been posted, oh say a dozen times, the value of posting the same thing 800 more times doesn't add ANYTHING to the discussion. It just makes you boring! And I take my own advice; some may notice that I don't post quite as much as I used to, and the items that I do post are more information-oriented. So again, take a breath! We heard you, already!

    Thank you for allowing this brief interruption. (Rant off)
     
  8. jhoff80

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    You'd never get a desktop 980 in something this tiny, not even the MXM variants of it.

    That being said, the GTX 1060 for laptops is faster, cheaper, has lower TDP, and if they are using MXM (who knows, but the existence of two different GPU versions makes me think they are), would be a drop-in replacement. Moreover, with the push for VR that they're making, a GTX1060 supports that far better than a 980M. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if they refresh the Studio with Kaby Lake and Pascal even as soon as this Spring, especially since they say that it'll have limited availability.
     
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  9. Mesosphere

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    For sure.
     
  10. Marty

    Marty Pen Pro - Senior Member Senior Member

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    I am actually glad this forum is one of the rare places on internet you can actually have heated debates—without devolving into fanboy encampments. I don't hesitate to "slug it out" in technical discussions here because, by and large, this community tries to stick to fact-based reasoning to make its points.

    Take a look at the comments sections of any tech news site and tell me you don't just want to walk back to TPCR and simply take in a breath of fresh air!

    So just want say kudos to you all—especially Steve—for doing such a great job managing these forums! :thumbsup:
     
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