Surface Pro X Discussion Thread (October 2019)

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  1. Steve S

    Steve S Pen Pro - Senior Member Super Moderator

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    <<...wait that keyboard is 1 pound...>>

    ...Just weighed the keyboard for my New Surface Pro. 10.6 ounces. My nSP pen weighs 0.7 ounces, so I would guess that the Pro X keyboard plus pen weighs no more than 12 ounces.

    Still pretty close to a pound, though...!
     
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  2. Steve S

    Steve S Pen Pro - Senior Member Super Moderator

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    <<...Can anyone explain why the OEMS are Luke warm to making detachables?..>>

    ...It may be that the market for detachables is relatively small so that only a few models are adequate to fulfill it. Surface probably dominates the higher end of that market while Dell models suffice for the lower end...?

    And let's face it; for general use, the laptop form factor is almost perfect...
     
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  3. dstrauss

    dstrauss Comic Relief Senior Member

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    That. With the exception of writing/drawing, the laptop form factor is so much more versatile than a detachable. I've had quite a few (original Surface; Surface Pro; Samsung Galaxy Book 12; Surface Go; ThinkPad X1 Tablet; HP Elite X2) - all good with a flat table/desk, but all lacking when you really needed to use them in a crowded space or on your lap (including in a car even with a lap board). Even as writing tablets, they are all a little too big - the best size I've ever had in that regard was the Asus VivoTab Note 8 with a Wacom EMR pen in a silo in the frame.

    The Surface Go comes the closest - especially with its kickstand fully reclined - a very good writing angle (yes - flat on a table is rarely a good writing angle for note taking on a tablet unlike writing on a yellow pad).

    This is why I hold out high hopes for the Surface Neo clones. IF they had a small kickstand and a siloed pen (preferably an S-Pen but even the Lenovo stick with the X1 Yoga model) they could be the perfect companion device for a solid 2-in-1 ultrabook.
     
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    desertlap Scribbler - Standard Member Senior Member

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    That matches what we see in our customers and what we recommend as well. Unless you have a specific need for a 2 in 1 or tablet type device you are generally better served with a conventional laptop.

    You get a generally better keyboard and trackpad, more ports, often longer battery life and you can hit a lower price point if that's a factor. That being said once you reach the $1k price point, your decision matrix changes. Generally we say that it's a choice between raw performance and flexibility.

    PS: Dell's low end detachable systems are not something we would recommend unless they simply must have that form factor above all else and cant swing a surface or even the couple of HP devices
     
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  5. sitoudien

    sitoudien Pen Pal - Newbie

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    For me a detachable would be the most ideal tablet hybrid. I do not have any tablets. This would be a my primary driver and a total replacement for a aging pc. I think for most people a tablet detachable is a second device or accessory. When researching for a detachable I spec devices that can replace a pc. Before the SPX announcement, the best detachable on paper was Acer Switch 7. It was beast and a SP6 killer. However, execution was flawed and was not widely sold. The SPX threw down the gauntlet and the competition just yawned.
     
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  6. JoeS

    JoeS I'm all ears Senior Member

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    Interesting. The main reason for that is probably the tablet thickness, making it uncomfortable to have your hand lay on the edge. I wonder if the Pro X has reached a thinness where "flat on the table" with keyboard detached becomes an acceptable note taking mode.
     
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    Hmm I write on my IPP 11 all the time like a notebook and it’s fine....
     
  8. dstrauss

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    For me , it's thickness, hard to see at an acute angle, and overhead lighting. I have always propped them up 20-30 degrees to make writing and viewing easier.
     
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  9. Marty

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    Let me just say, I completely disagree with both of you. :D

    Convertible > Clamshell

    Especially with today's ultra-sleek chassis, like the new XPS 13 7930:



    If we are talking purely the versatility of form-factor, convertible wins.

    Now when comparing to detachables, the equation is trickier, but I would still say detachables have the edge.

    Traveling in crowded subways in Japan, I'm often holding my tablet cradled close:

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    A slate is usable in this position; a laptop is not.

    When sitting down without a table, the laptop requires both hands to stabilize on your thighs. But a slate can be held in one hand.

    Laptops beat slates for typing, but that advantage is canceled by slates being better for writing/touch input.

    So all in all, tablets win. :D
     
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  10. dstrauss

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    Big surprise. :rolleyes:

    I’ll agree with you on convertibles being pretty good both ways, and if you prefer tablets, that’s great.

    But I don’t think I’d want to edit a pleading on my lap in your tablet mode.
     
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