Surface Pro 7 Discussion Thread (October 2019)

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  1. sonichedgehog360

    sonichedgehog360 AKA Hifihedgehog Senior Member

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    Another big win, the wireless AX chipset is Intel finally.

    The Surface Pro 7 specs page says:
    Good riddance to un-Marvell-ous wireless throughput and range.
     
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    sonichedgehog360 AKA Hifihedgehog Senior Member

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    You do get a fan on that i7 model that should help with thermal throttling which could be useful in sustained gaming sessions, and the CPU performance is also reporting a nice uptick (~15%) in Geekbench, at least:

    Source:
    https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/search?dir=desc&q=Core+i7-1065g7&sort=score
    https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/search?dir=desc&q=Core+i5-1035G4&sort=score
     
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    sonichedgehog360 AKA Hifihedgehog Senior Member

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    Microsoft actually changed the battery life test methodology this generation from strictly video testing to mixed usage (including web browsing). It is probably due to the flack that Microsoft has gotten for less than realistic battery tests that don't reflect as accurately when compared, for example, with the Apple iPad.

    With the Surface Pro 6, the test was:
    With the Surface Pro 7, it now is:
     
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    JoeS I'm all ears Senior Member

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    That's a very important note, thanks! I wonder how they counted the "modern standby" portion. Is the quoted time screen-on only, or does it include "typical use case modern standby time". Because if the latter, that would be kind of misleading.
     
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    <<...The only difference between the i5 and i7 graphics is the frequency 1.05Ghz vs. 1.1Ghz (should be minimal performance difference if any)…>>

    ...Not correct. The i5 has G4 graphics while the i7 has G7 graphics. G7 has 64 EUs while G4 has 48...
     
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    The fan would have irritated me (given my bad experience with SP4/SP5's fan noise on the i7 models), but having used a SP6 i7 for a year I can say that it's not an issue anymore. I seldom notice the fan, if at all, even in close distance. And the tablet is 'cold' to the touch even when being charged. It's actually even cooler or on par with the m3 fanless devices that I have owned in the past (m3 SP5, m3 Macbook). I wouldn't be surprised if the fan actually makes the device cooler than an i5 under moderate use. Unless I am running games or doing heavy multitasking on multi-monitors, I doubt I can tell any difference between the i7 (w/ fan) and the i5 (w/o fan).
     
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    This. I think this confusion stems from the WikiChip entry (normally incredibly accurate) which has the i5-1035G4 mistakenly listed as having 64 EUs, and this even confused me today when I referenced it. NotebookCheck, on the other hand, has it listed correctly as 48 EUs. This makes sense given the G1, G4 and G7 sub-SKUs each suggest in their name a different level in graphics performance.
     
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    Oh wow interesting! Thanks for the clarification:
    I was going off the Intel ARK pages which don't list that information for some reason:
    https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...1065g7-processor-8m-cache-up-to-3-90-ghz.html
    https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...1035g4-processor-6m-cache-up-to-3-70-ghz.html
     
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    The fun has begun: I just got back from visiting the Microsoft Store, having run several benchmarks and gotten screenshots of Device Manager. I can also confirm as other journalists have that the i5 model is indeed fanless. The wireless AX chipset is Intel-made like the Surface Pro 7 product page states and the specific model is the AX201.

    It was all frantic and fast-paced so I will have to table a more in-depth look to another visit but it would not be half as exhilarating without me running on the clock. As you can see, the i5 model’s hardware—processor, SSD storage and wireless AX Wi-Fi—is all incredibly zippy, zippier than my visit.

    Speaking of the processor specifically, the Ice Lake-based Core i5-1035G4 served up CPU performance roughly comparable with the Kaby Lake-R i7-8650U of last generation. I imagine the i7 Surface Pro 7’s Core i7-1065G7 will be on a level all of its own for a 15-watt part:

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    Addendum: Meanwhile, the SSD sees huge generational gains over the Surface Pro 6’s paltry Toshiba drives—and even the Surface Pro 2017’s superior Samsung PM917 solution—whose earlier storage solution saw sequential read performance a bit shy of 1000 MB/s that rendered it often slower than rival notebooks and 2-in-1’s.

    Turning to the web as my bat decoder ring, the Surface Pro 7’s cryptically coded SSD part number HFB1M8MO331C0MR drew a blank but the benchmark numbers above speak for themselves and set a new standard for Surface Pro: +1900 MB/s sequential read times which should translate to lightning quick boot-up and program start times.
     
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