Surface Pro (2017) Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Microsoft' started by spinedoc77, May 21, 2017.

  1. Chris_Kez

    Chris_Kez Reformed Lumia Fan

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    Any comments on the feeling or impact on touch/pen usage? I think in going to keep mine naked but then again I wouldn't mind something that cut down on reflectivity.
    Thanks for some actual product notes either way. I don't think Windows Central actually looks at any of these. They typically just put together lists of stuff they've seen on Amazon. I guess that's better than nothing?


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  2. Steve S

    Steve S Pen Pro - Senior Member Super Moderator

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    <<...Any comments on the feeling or impact on touch/pen usage?..>>

    @Chris_Kez : With regard to pen or inking "feel," all of the glass SPs that I have used provide a "slick" feel, just like a bare LCD screen. I haven't seen any glass SPs that offer a matte finish (like the HP Z Book X2), but just because I haven't seen one doesn't mean that they might not exist... somewhere...

    With regard to touch / pen sensing, some users have reported a small but noticeable (to them) reduction in touch sensitivity when a screen protector is installed. Speaking only for myself, I have not noticed this effect with either plastic or glass screen protectors. Over time, I have probably used at least 5 of the former and three of the latter SP types on tablets of various vintages.

    <<...I wouldn't mind something that cut down on reflectivity...>>

    A tempered glass SP will not offer you any relief in this respect. The SP surface is, of course, as smooth and shiny as glass! Unfortunately, some of the best anti-reflection coatings require the use of metallic layers sputtered or vapor coated onto the first (i.e., outer) surface of the SP. These metal layers are incompatible with modern electronic pen / touch sensing grids. The only SP that I am aware of that has a reasonably effective anti-reflection coating is 3M Vikuiti which, as stated, is NOT compatible with modern touch screens. Another anti-reflection approach involves sophisticated micro-structuring of the first surface, but that technology has not yet come to any SP product that I am aware of.

    So the only anti-reflection approach that is generally available is a simple matte finish (think: fine surface roughness). Matte finishes can be reasonably effective, but the down side is that they also introduce a certain degree of blurring to the optical image. In extreme cases, matte finishes can introduce periodic optical effects that some find very distracting. There are several brands of plastic SPs that offer varying degrees of matte density. I have written extensively about Photodon ( www.photodon.com ) films that offer a range of matte densities (and corresponding optical impacts). If reduced reflectivity is desired, this is about the only way that you can go...

    (For more details, see Post #58 in this discussion thred: http://forum.tabletpcreview.com/threads/the-best-screen-protector.21750/ )

    Finally, over the last few years I have been using tablets (typically Gorilla Glass 3 or later) both with and without some type of plastic or glass SP. While I believe that an SP is a prudent choice to guard the resale value of your tablet (and to protect against Murphy's Law), I am happy to report that modern Gorilla Glass screens appear to be very robust and scratch resistant, to the point that the choice of SP versus bare screen is now a simple matter of personal choice.
     
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  3. wataru

    wataru Scribbler - Standard Member

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    I revert back my statement on the i7. The fan is astonishingly quiet once Windows finish its updates and if you don't play games. I couldn't feel the fan and the tablet did not heat up when watching YouTube or Amazon videos for a prolonged period. I still hope Microsoft could engineer a switch to turn off the fan (battery saver does not count) though for peace of mind (and turn on the fan for heavy computation stuff). I think I can tolerate the fan if they manage to achieve the same feat for their quad core upgrade this fall.

    I got my i5 and it's from a quite new batch (LOT#1815). I am glad to report that the bottom backlight bleed is significanlty reduced to a degree that I would not notice unless I am specifically looking into it. Too bad Microsoft lost an opportunity to take more money from me because the i7 I received has terrible bleed.

    Performance wise, the 4GB and m3 is definitely a no go (the spec is so poor that you cannot even browse Internet properly, getting the m3 is one of my worst decisions:(). The i5/8gb is surprisingly snappy and it doesn't feel any slower than the i7/16gb. Combined with its fanless prowess, I say the experience is golden. Couldn't wait for the quad core upgrade and imagine how good that would be.
     
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  4. convergent

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    Occasionally I long for the more expensive i7, but 99% of the time I am content with my launch day i5/256/8. Those times are usually when I'm doing heavy Lightroom work and not wanting to wait for it to build full sized previews before editing. But those times are pretty rare. The only other time I notice performance issues is once in a while everything just seems to slow down... even doing Outlook things. I reboot, and all is good. I just chock that up to one of those "Windows things" and realize that I need to reboot it about once a week. As with yours, there is no noticeable light bleed.
     
  5. Chris_Kez

    Chris_Kez Reformed Lumia Fan

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    Anyone still not get the 1803 update pushed out to them? I'm sure I could get it just by clicking "Check for updates" but at this point I'm kind of curious how long it will take Microsoft to push it to me.


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  6. Steve S

    Steve S Pen Pro - Senior Member Super Moderator

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    More coverage of recent Surface product rumors similar to that already cited by dstrauss in the Surface 3 discussion thread:

    https://www.onmsft.com/news/more-de...w-hardware-including-redesigned-surface-pro-6

    (Courtesy of OnMSFT site)

    Here's theVerge article. Note that it doesn't seem to mention the Andromeda device (and mentions of Andromeda seem spotty, at best...):

    https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/13/17458376/microsoft-surface-pro-6-redesign-rumors

    (Courtesy of theVerge site)

    And here's Mary Jo herself:

    https://www.zdnet.com/article/whats...ront-rumored-codenames-target-dates-and-more/

    (Courtesy of ZDNet site)
     
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  7. Steve S

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  8. darkmagistric

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    Couple with all the rumors Steve S has linked to....Microsoft seems to be offering some significant discounts on the current nSP's.

    The CoreM3/4GB/128GB is currently priced at $599.....and the more attractive Core i5/8GB/128GB mode is at $799.

    I have to admit I'm somewhat conflicted at this exact moment. Every August I do a big trip.....and this years its for the whole month I'll be gone. But the timing for the new surface devices is somewhat unfortunate.

    I'm currently considering what device to bring with me on my month long oddesy. I'm pretty set for bringing my Galaxy Book 10....but the lack of a Kickstand like the Surface Pros.......is actually a major drawback for traveling. My last trip I brought the Galaxy Book and constantly was wishing I brought my Surface Pro 3 instead. The adjustable built in kickstand is just so damn useful. But my now fairly old Pro 3.....is somewhat prone to glitches and the Battery Life is a shadow of what it was....making it a poor choice to take along with me.

    So......I could just make do with my Galaxy Book 10.....which does go perfectly hand in hand with my Note 8 phone (Spen/USB-C)

    But I could trade in my old Pro 3.....and Possibly my 2nd spare Pro 3 that suffered a dead SSD. I asked at my local Microsoft Store...and while it only technically boots into the bios.....the store clerk still suggested I bring it in....and there could be a chance they might be able to accept it. So if I trade in both Pro 3's and the Pro 3 type cover.....that could get me $500 ish off....towards the purchase of the i5/8GB nSP.....which certainly makes that an attractive option.

    But if a 8th gen Quad Core/USB C refresh of the nSP is hitting this Fall....(to hold over till the proper Pro 6).........then Purchasing the now year old 7th gen is suddenly alot less attractive. Now the smaller 10-inch Surface (4)....thats supposed to hit this summer.....provided its got the Kickstand/USB C......and at least Core M3 level of performance......that would be pretty perfect for me, and if I could trade in both Pro 3's....it would be a perfect trade.

    But I leave August 2nd......I just feel that if I hold out for the Surface 4.......it won't get released till after I'm already gone.....and if I do trade in towards the $799 i5/128GB.....Karma will almost dictate either the Surface 4 or refreshed nSP will hit as soon as I purchase it.

    Come on Microsoft.....release the damn thing already!
     
  9. dstrauss

    dstrauss Comic Relief Senior Member

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    They are waiting for @Bronsky to report a "car accident" with his Surface 3 before releasing the Surface 4.
     
  10. bloodycape

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    I do like the idea of USB-C as I feel it is way more sturdy that micro-usb. I have to plug in my S3 just right or else it won't charge sometimes(used different cable and charge, same thing). Not good. That price on the nSP is very tempting, but I am really like the size of my S3 more. Maybe if the next gen SP was 12in in say a 11"(or even 11.6") body I may go that route. Or I may just go with the update Chromebook Plus, which is now using a Y series Celeron, moved to 16:10, and starts at $450 with the S-pen included.
     
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