Surface Go

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  1. dstrauss

    dstrauss Comic Relief Senior Member

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    I'm on record asking Panos & Satya to dig into that bag of cash and BUY WACOM before Apple does....

    As for bezel vs bezel-less: we can all have our cake and eat it too. Intel demoed Smart Frame FIVE YEARS AGO

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    I agree, no bezel is tough in tablet mode, it's a godsend when in laptop mode. You can't tell me that the engineers at Surface can't implement this when we are already on Canon Lake (this was North Cape for crying out loud). It could even have a manual mode for when you want to have no bezels in tablet mode (for demo's, etc.)
     
  2. thatcomicsguy

    thatcomicsguy Pen Pro - Senior Member Senior Member

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    It's pure software. I wonder if something hasn't already been rigged out in 3rd party land..?
     
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  3. dstrauss

    dstrauss Comic Relief Senior Member

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    My guess is it actually is hardware and software of some sort - don't see how software could make those huge bezels completely touchless, BUT in any event it's time is WAY PAST DUE.
     
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  4. sonichedgehog360

    sonichedgehog360 AKA Hifihedgehog Senior Member

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    Given my schedule today, I will be up at my local Microsoft Store. Here is hoping they have demo units in. If so, photo session and benchmarks to come this PM.
     
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  5. Marty

    Marty Pen Pro - Senior Member Senior Member

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    Are we back on this topic again? The poor horse has taken such a beating...but why not add a bit more? ;)

    Ok, first we need to dispel the mistaken notion that bezel-less = "nowhere to hold the device". As @dstrauss said, there's Intel's "Smart Bezel" concept.

    But even with currently implemented software, you can create regions along the edge to rest the palm and hold the device. For example, VAIO's "Pencil Board" @10:02:



    This is just good design...because it is "snazzy and futuristic?" No, because it is useful.

    Case in point, I can selectively block out a region from touch, but not pen, giving me a very handy "toolbar bezel" (I'm a lefty) :)

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    (the gray region below the "VAIO Pencil Board" text is immune to touch)

    So now I can use the left edge as both a place to grip/rest the palm, and a region to put UI elements. This allows me to maximize the screen real-estate on a 12.3" tablet, something utterly impossible to do with a regular bezel.

    So before you call somebody a corporate sheep, think carefully about the potential use-cases for the design. Not every fad is a bad one.
     
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  6. djas

    djas Graffiti User

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    There are numerous devices out there in the Windows universe. Thick bezels, thin bezels. Wacom, ntrig etc. big screens, small screens. detachables, convertibles. fast processors, low processors. high prices, low prices. lol... pick one, or a few. :)

    To me, I don't see any cons in the SG (Surface 4), coming from one of the users it is targeting (Surface 3). Really, I don't care what pen technology it's using or how thick or thin the bezel is, makes no difference to me.

    Carry on :)

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  7. soh5

    soh5 Wait and Hope (Bronsky et al.) Senior Member

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    Man a lot happened while I was gone. Hi guys!

    Does this mean Bronksy found his unicorn replacement for the S3?

    Is this Meso's Surface Air?

    Oh my bezels, I thought this was a lenovo product looking at it. Pretty sure this is what Dale is thinking too. :D
     
  8. sonichedgehog360

    sonichedgehog360 AKA Hifihedgehog Senior Member

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    Update: Received word that there are no demo units on display at my location until the 27th. Sorry folks.
     
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  9. bloodycape

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    I am 80% sure I am not going Surface Go. I made the mistake of googling something and my local Best Buy has a Samsung Chromebook Pro(the one with Core M cpu) 64gb for $370 as a certified open box. Really tempting for Wacom EMR, a screen that is highly ranked(same 3:2 display in the Pixelbook & some of the HP X2 models). I like Dstrauss am worried Samsung may make their other devices 16:10 or worse 16:9, and I've really come to like 3:2 aspect ratio of the S3. Downside is like the SGo USB-C ports(two unlike the Plus V2, which has 2 USB-C and one USB-A) and not a detachable. I can deal with Chrome OS as I have a windows desktop and it is running a full desktop class browser, plus Wacom EMR.

    Edit: Maybe 65% sure re-read some reviews and got mixed reviews on battery life.Some got 7.5+ hours, others got 5 hours. :-/ Still probably wait for the SGo reviews to make a decision.
     
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  10. soh5

    soh5 Wait and Hope (Bronsky et al.) Senior Member

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    You just cant replicate the Wacom S-Pen magic. Buying out N-Trig was a bad move, the S-Pen/Wacom EMR tech is just that good. Why re-invent the wheel and try to make the surface pen better when there was a better pen protocol in place?

    Some of the decisions by Microsoft just frustrate me as a consumer. I dont care about 4096 pressure levels, when your pen experience sucks compared to Wacom EMR. Tilt? S-Pen had that a long time ago, and this is Wacom EMR tech. Surface Pen? Yeah it makes sense that its nearly $100, but why not have a pen that is included in the box that isnt as "robust" as the surface pen. Why am I getting a pen that only has 1 button? I could care less about the stupid clicky button at the eraser end.

    I also have read that the USB-C to USB-A adapter is a "sold separately" item. If you're touting this to be for people on the go, for your students, and business people, start by including these items. A dongle isnt an item someone should pay for when an OEM decides to go full USB-C.
     
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