Surface Book 2 Discussion Thread (13.5" and 15" models)

Discussion in 'Microsoft' started by JoeS, Oct 17, 2017.

  1. lovelaptops

    lovelaptops My friends call me Jeff Senior Member

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    Just wondering, does someone have a direct tie to MS and might be a bit biased?

    Once again may I just get a simple answer: do the UWP versions of Office require you to store your data on MS cloud?
     
  2. jnjroach

    jnjroach Technology Strategist Super Moderator

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    If you think you own your data any better on On-prem you are sadly mistaken. But you can believe that....you will be much more angry about it though when you are breached.
     
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    jnjroach Technology Strategist Super Moderator

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    That is a funny accusation Jeff one where i thought you would be better than that...

    You can continue to use OneNote 2016 until 2025 and use it how you would like...
     
  4. jyan_osu

    jyan_osu Scribbler - Standard Member

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    No, but I don't see why Microsoft couldn't implement it. They have an API for UWP apps to read and write from local storage. Perhaps if enough people ask they can implement it. Even though I like the cloud option, I'd also like a local file storage option too.

    https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/uwp/files/quickstart-reading-and-writing-files
     
  5. jyan_osu

    jyan_osu Scribbler - Standard Member

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    Yeah.. I used to think it was safe internally as well.. Then working in a few financial institutions and a health company, ya see some things that you never consider in regards to security.

    I mean, a casino got hacked via a fish tank ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-casino/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1a97d565646f

    We started to setup some honeypots on our end to lure hackers so that it buys us time to close up access while the hackers mess around with those. .As they say, it's not if you are hacked these days, it's when.
     
  6. jnjroach

    jnjroach Technology Strategist Super Moderator

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    The Target Hack came through a HVAC Vendor's email account that was compromised and the hackers were on the corporate network for 18 months gaining access one account at a time, the Home Depot hack was similar...
     
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    jnjroach Technology Strategist Super Moderator

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    Word, Excel and PowerPoint UWP have no problems accessing local files - OneNote UWP like its Android and iOS siblings is designed as a fully cloud enabled application.
     
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    Shizaru Scribbler - Standard Member

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    For that to be the case with respect to my private data you would need to gain physical access, and even then you would need to work to reap any reward. Of course I would be angry if someone broke in to steal my data. The fundamental difference is I haven't voluntarily handed my data over to some third-party in an environment I have zero control over.

    Any system that has third-party admins is at risk, whether it's in an on or off site environment, the problems are compounded when skilled hackers can find a vector which they can use for an exploit. On site exploitation risks are far easier to manage with greater levels of control and security, which may vary depending on the lengths taken to keep the data secure. Any data passed over the wire is at risk, and doesn't compare to the security data has when physical access is required period. To believe otherwise would be very unwise.

    Again security issues are just one aspect. The thing is people are being forced to use services on demand with all the baggage that goes with that, such as but not limited to pricing, privacy and dependency etc. Those also seem to be issues that concern people who have thought the situation through...rightly so imho.

    The solution is simple stop using M$ products, which involves some pain and maybe some short term loss in functionality. Learning a new program is simple especially when it comes to spreadsheets and word processing. The loss of functionality can be resolved by supporting developers and project. Under those conditions the world is your oyster, instead of some ever diminishing dingy corner of some corporate walled garden, where they allow you to play with the toys they throw in your direction.

    On demand services has been a wet dream of M$ for more than twenty years and was a topic of conversation in the late 90's.

    In this current climate of state censorship ABC/Google/Ytube have been removing users access to Ytube accounts along with their Google/GoogleMail accounts. That situation should be a red flag to anyone using these types of services, whether they pay for them or not! That's the future if we allow it to manifest in the way it is currently evolving.
     
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  9. jyan_osu

    jyan_osu Scribbler - Standard Member

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    Yes, but I would like to see an option to allow it not only to be cloud enabled, but to also have access to local files as well. There's no harm in doing so from my point of view. There's no technical limit as to why this wouldn't be an option from the available APIs and standpoint of other UWP Office products having that option.
     
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