replace hard drive in LE1600?

Discussion in 'Motion Computing' started by navarros, Jun 11, 2010.

  1. milowerx

    milowerx Pen Pal - Newbie

    Messages:
    56
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    Anyone on these forums know where I can get my 1600 upgraded top a bigger HD or where I can get instructions to replace myself? I took the door on the back off but the HD is so tiny and it's imbedded and doesn't look like it can be replaced by me. Any help would greatly be appreciated!
     
  2. wpssales

    wpssales Pen Pal - Newbie

    Messages:
    1
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    6
    I needed this info too and didn't have the luxury of waiting around for an answer. after a couple hours of finding no documentation on how to do it, I just went for it. I was swapping drives from my original cracked screen tablet to another tablet with intact screen but smaller hard drive. In addition to wanting to keep my larger hard drive, I wanted to avoid reinstalling all my software and settings if possible.

    It definitely seems daunting with how small it is and the rubberized protective layer, but there is a looped tab where the connector is at the top. The rubberized portion around the drive helps protect it from shock as well as holds it in place (there are NO other screws or connections once you have the case plate and then the mounting plate screws removed- that was 4 total).
    Be very aware that these drives are sensitive to jarring motions.
    Once the connector is pulled loose with the tab then you can just slowly pull the rubberized drive straight up. If you're nervous about ripping the connector tab off, you can exert a slight rocking motion from left to right with the tab and a finger on the right side to ease it out a little if the plastic tab doesn't seem enough.

    yep, the drive might be in there a little tight, but its really not attached by anything else at this point.
    Keep in mind, my 60gb was LONGER than the 30 and was actually seated under the lip of the casing whereas the 30gb just came right up because it was fully exposed on all sides.
    And the rubberized edging is different for Toshiba drives and Hitachi drives, so they don't quite fit in each others slots exactly the same, but I was able to swap them out just fine and both tablets still boot into XP with no further recovery or anything (near exact models T004 and T005 in my case).

    Standard disclaimers apply, perform the upgrade at your own risk, Motion doesn't want you to do it yourself- they want you to pay them for upgraded drives and labor, yadda yadda yadda.

    hope this helps someone. No I won't be back here to see questions.
     
  3. scotty1024

    scotty1024 Pen Pal - Newbie

    Messages:
    8
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    Swapping hard drives between two LE1600's will give you an Windows activation fault. Serial numbers in the Intel CPU's don't match.

    If you call in to try and get another activation off your COA the code you read them will result in them just wanting to put their hand in your pocket for more money.

    If you use Partition Magic (or equivalent) to copy the original hard disk onto a new one (possibly larger) it won't result in a Windows activation fault. I've done this one myself several times with LE1600's.
     
  4. thedon

    thedon Pen Pal - Newbie

    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    what is the max hard drive i can get for le1600 lads? and where can i buy? thanx
     
  5. Vaitte

    Vaitte Motion Freak

    Messages:
    6
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    The biggest HD i ever seen for 1.8" zif disks is the Toshiba 80GB MK8009GAH. It costs around 80ish bucks on eBay.
     
  6. milowerx

    milowerx Pen Pal - Newbie

    Messages:
    56
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
  7. Ano-Oobist

    Ano-Oobist Pen Pal - Newbie

    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    Could anybody tell me which one is the hard drive cover?

    [​IMG]

    What is under the other?
     
  8. milowerx

    milowerx Pen Pal - Newbie

    Messages:
    56
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    The one on the bottom right is the one with the HD, the other one has the memory chip in it.
     
  9. hunter44

    hunter44 Pen Pal - Newbie

    Messages:
    11
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    Hey, Milowerx, did you get to replace the HDD in your 1600? If so, how did it go? Just got a 1600 with 30 gig and I too need to replace it with 60gig. Motion said 60G is the max that older 1600 will take but rather than give me info about the disk they want me to send it in cos "it is proprietary disk drive" yad, yada, yada. I suspect it is the Toshiba M6008GAH or M6006GAH drive. Anybody elso done this and wish to share their experience?
     
  10. milowerx

    milowerx Pen Pal - Newbie

    Messages:
    56
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    Nope I never did do it. I got to the point of trying to pull the drive out and went chicken. It was really snuggly in there. I've just been living with the small drive. Are you gonna do it? If you do take pics!
     
  11. kvanderlaag

    kvanderlaag Pen Pal - Newbie

    Messages:
    22
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    If they say the older LE1600 will only take a 60GB, I must stress that you need a 50-pin IDE hard drive, NOT a ZIF drive. (Pin connectors versus zero-insertion force connectors.) Any hard drive intended for an older Apple iPod should work for you - a 60gb is about the biggest the IDE drives come in. I forget exactly where we found our replacement MK3006GAL HDD1442, but they had a full stock of 1.8" IDE drives up to 60gb. Google around and see if you can't find one - but like I said, make sure it's an IDE drive and not a ZIF, as it's an expensive mistake to make.

    Replacement is fairly easy - I've moved drives around on LE1600s a few times. Pop the cover, undo the two screws on the caddy, gently wiggle the motherboard side of the connector out by the loop tab, wiggle up on the edges of the rubber drive protector until it slides forward and out. Pop the connector out of the drive, replace. Easy as pie, I'm sure you'll do fine. Just go slow and be careful.
     
  12. milowerx

    milowerx Pen Pal - Newbie

    Messages:
    56
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    I just remembered that was actually one of my most confusing points on why I didn't get a new drive... whether I HAD a zif drive or not. My drive has a connector that connects on top of the drive not on the side like a traditional hard drive with the pins. It does have the normal pins but there is a weird connector that makes it easier to disconnect. I am assuming that's a Zif drive but I can't find something online that looks exactly right. The thing is I keep hearing that older LE1600's have the normal drive and I can't figure out which mine has.
     
  13. Frank

    Frank Scribbler - Standard Member Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,848
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    66
    that's the worst thing they did with the 1.8" hard drives. Using both ATA and ZIF connectors. The problem is that a lot of manufacturers use ATA drives, but the user can only buy a ZIF drive, at least I never found a large sized ATA 1.8" HDD. And even worse is that most manufacturers use both standards, they produce two version of their notebooks or tablets, one with a ATA drive, the other with a ZIF driver :mad:

    That's a ZIF to ATA adapter. The larger connector is the ATA connector, the smaller connector on the right side with the ribbon cable connected is the ZIF connector.

    If you do the upgrade post a few pictures, because such an upgrade is always interesting.
     
  14. kvanderlaag

    kvanderlaag Pen Pal - Newbie

    Messages:
    22
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    The issue of going ATA mobo to ZIF drive on the LE1600 is space - there's a jumper connector from the motherboard to the hard drive that LOOKS like a ribbon cable, but is essentially like a flexible PCB. There's pins on both ends.

    Code:
     _________________
    (|)             =|
    
    Treat that as a profile view of the connector. The brackets represent the connector plug on the motherboard, and the underscores are the cable. You see at the end, it actually hooks down and around, and the pins face back towards the motherboard connector. The back of the drive goes in towards the end of the cable, and the front is against the motherboard connector, maximizing space usage.

    Your hard drive LOOKS like it has a connector on the top, but I guarantee it doesn't. (I have both a ZIF and ATA 1.8" drive to compare here, and they both have the connector on the back.)

    You just physically can't fit an ATA-ZIF adapter in the LE1600. It would push the hard drive too far forward, and there would be clearance issues with the motherboard connector. If you have an ATA controller on the motherboard in your LE1600, you're stuck with ATA, meaning the maximum hard drive size is 60GB.

    Let me take some photos for you guys.
     
  15. Frank

    Frank Scribbler - Standard Member Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,848
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    66
    kvanderlaag, I just linked to the adapter to show him the difference betwen ATA and ZIF, I know it's way too large to fit in the LE1600.
    But if you take a few photos, that's even better :)

    But if some of you have enough money, then you could buy a Samsung SSD, which is even thinner than the normal 1.8"HDD and try to use some sort of a few adapters, but this will get very difficult: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=356421
     
  16. kvanderlaag

    kvanderlaag Pen Pal - Newbie

    Messages:
    22
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    I just wanted to make it clear that the adapter would not fit, in case he did not gather that from your post. I find it never hurts to clarify things again and again, just in case. Like I said, a ZIF hard drive where one won't fit is a costly mistake to make - I know because I have one!

    Anyways, here we go.

    01 - LE1600
    http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/vco_photos/le1600 hdd/01-LE1600.jpg

    This is a Motion Computing LE1600. Actually, it's an LE1600TS, but they're identical except for the digitizer. For now, just look at your tablet. If it looks like this, you're good to go. If it doesn't...well, the rest of these instructions won't make much sense, now will they?

    02 - LE1600 Back Cover
    http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/vco_photos/le1600 hdd/02-LE1600BackCover.jpg

    This is the back cover of the computer. You'll see two rectangular covers, with two screws each. With the battery towards the top, we're going to be undoing the screws holding down the one on the right towards the bottom. When you have them undone, you might need to use a flat blade screwdriver to gently pry the panel up. There's two tabs at the bottom edge of it, so pry from the top, gently, and then pull the cover out.

    03 - LE1600 Hard Drive Bay
    http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/vco_photos/le1600 hdd/03-LE1600HardDriveBay.jpg

    You should now be looking at the hard drive bay of the LE1600. Ignore everything else for now, and focus on that shiny metal cover over top of everything. That needs to come off. There are two screws at the bottom edge of it, one left and one right. Undo those, and it should start to pop up at the bottom. Grab it lightly and pull it towards the bottom of the unit to slide the two tabs at the top out from under the case. Lay it to the side.

    04 - Hard Drive Cover Removed
    http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/vco_photos/le1600 hdd/04-HardDriveCoverRemoved.jpg

    You should be looking at something like this now. The copper-colored thing there is the connector from the motherboard to the hard drive. We need to remove the connector from the socket on the motherboard, which is at the top of the bay.

    05 - Motherboard-end Connector
    http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/vco_photos/le1600 hdd/05-Motherboard-endConnector.jpg

    You'll see a loop of plastic at the top coming off of the connector. Take this gently and wiggle from side to side while pulling up. Be careful, because you're pulling the pins on the connector out of the socket now. Don't wiggle too far in any one direction. You might even be able to get away with just pulling up, but BE GENTLE with it.

    06 - Hard Drive Ready for Removal
    http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/vco_photos/le1600 hdd/06-HardDriveExposed.jpg

    Pull back the ribbon connector, and you should see something like this. Now you're ready to remove the hard drive. You'll see a black rubber cover around the drive itself - take the side edges of this gently and pull up at the top of the bay. The drive is sitting a little bit under the edge of the case, so you'll have to angle it up and slide it out from there. Once it's free, set it to the side.

    07 - Hard Drive Removed
    http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j.../?action=view&current=07-HardDriveRemoved.jpg

    Assuming you have a 30GB ATA hard drive, you'll see this - the venerable Toshiba MK3006GAL. Notice that the ribbon connector hooks around to the back of it and plugs in there. All ATA hard drives have their connector pins back there, so this was how Motion optimized utilization of space. We're going to remove the connector now, so lightly pull it out while wiggling the edges back and forth, like you did with the other end.

    08 - Hard Drive Connector
    http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/vco_photos/le1600 hdd/08-HardDriveConnector.jpg

    This is the hard drive connector removed and all by itself. You can see the pins and the traces now, and you can see how it angles around the drive and under the case. Very neat.

    09 - Hard Drive ATA connector
    http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/vco_photos/le1600 hdd/09-HardDriveATAConnector.jpg

    Since I'm assuming you want to replace the hard drive, you should now peel the black rubber surround off of the drive. This is Motion's idea of "shockproofing" the drive - a little rubber shock absorber. Before you do, note which way the drive sat in it. If you put the drive in upside down, it fits funny, and won't fit properly into the bay. This is a shot of the ATA connector on the back of the drive.

    10 - 1.8" Hard Drives - ATA vs ZIF
    http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/vco_photos/le1600 hdd/10-ATAvsZIFDrive.jpg

    This is a comparison photo, for those of you who were wondering, of a 1.8" Toshiba MK3006GAL ATA drive to a 1.8" Seagate ZIF drive. You can see the tiny little connector where the ribbon slides in in place of the ATA connector. It's tiny, but it still connects to the back of the drive.

    11 - ZIF Connector Up Close
    http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/vco_photos/le1600 hdd/11-ZIFconnector.jpg

    Here's a closeup shot of the top of the ZIF connector. The ribbon cable slides into the top of what you see here, parallel to the surface of the connector shown.

    12 - 1.8" ZIF Drive vs. 2.5" IDE Drive
    http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/vco_photos/le1600 hdd/12-SizeComparison.jpg

    For the curious, here's a closeup size comparison of a 1.8" drive to a 2.5" standard laptop hard drive. (Like the ones used in the M1400.) The 1.8" drives are TINY, and we've had lots fail on us because they subsequently must be made to much tighter tolerances. When the drive starts to spin out of those tolerances, and at 4200rpm, that happens pretty quickly, you start getting drive failures. Huzzah!

    Congratulations. You've successfully removed the hard drive from your LE1600. I'm assuming you did this to replace it with another one, probably a bigger one, unlike me. I just pulled it out for fun and education! Actually, the drive pictured is a failed one from a client's LE1600 with active digitizer.

    If you want to replace the drive, the steps are pretty much the reverse. The drive you're replacing the stocker with might be a little longer, in the case of a 60gb vs a 30gb, so the rubber protector might not fit, or it might just fit a little tighter. I'm not sure. Just make sure you put it on the right way, and be careful putting everything back together. Watch out for the pins on the ATA connectors, they're fragile, and watch out for the tabs on the hard drive cover - they need to be fully seated in the notches in the case. Other than that, I wish you luck, and I hope this helps!

    Sources for Replacement Hard Drives

    Toshiba MK6006GAH - 60gb ATA
    $93.95 - http://www.idemigods.com/4th_Generation_iPod_4G_60GB_Hard_Drive_MK6006GAH_p/60gbhrddrv_mk6006gah.htm
    $119.99 - http://www.irepair.ca/iPod-60GB-Hard-Drive-MK6006GAH-PART-ONLY_p_29-89.html

    Toshiba MK4006GAH - 40gb ATA
    $82.95 - http://www.idemigods.com/3rd_4th_Ge...rd_Drive_MK4006GAH_p/40gbhrddrv_mk4006gah.htm
    $89.99 - http://www.irepair.ca/iPod-40GB-Hard-Drive-MK4006GAH-PART-ONLY_p_29-88.html

    Toshiba MK3006GAL (Factory Drive)[/b] - 30gb ATA
    $58.90 - http://www.idemigods.com/4th_Generation_iPod_30GB_Hard_Drive_MK3006GAL_p/30gbhrddrv_mk3006gal.htm
    $99.99 - http://www.irepair.ca/iPod-30GB-Hard-Drive-MK3006GAL-PART-ONLY_p_29-92.html

    For our friends in the UK, you can find prices and availability for all of these drives at http://www.ultratecdirect.com/stock...fq=1&caplow=50&caphi=100&prodcodegid=1&ipod=1

    Toshiba MK1011GAH and MK8007GAH are listed as "ATA-7" - these are not pin-based ATA drives, and will not work, which is unfortunate because they are 100gb and 80gb respectively. The extent of my research has shown that the largest IDE/ATA drive available in 1.8" is 60gb.
     
  17. kbhealthy1

    kbhealthy1 Pen Pal - Newbie

    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    1) Anyone looking to upgrade their LE1600 hard drive from 30 gigs to 60 gigs, or simply replace a failing 60 gig hard drive I can help! I had a number of problems figuring out which hard drive will fit and and I finally found out where to get a fantastic price on a new one.

    If you pull your 30 gig hard drive out you see that the model number is a Toshiba MK3006 GAL if means that you have a mini IDE 50 pin connection. The only 60 gig Toshiba hard drive that will fit your unit will be a Toshiba MK6006 GAH hard drive with the mini IDE 50 pin connection.

    If your 30 gig hard drive says MK3008 GAL , then it has a ZIFF connection and the only 60 gig Toshiba hard drive that will fit will be the MK 6008 GAH unit. You can get both of these units new from Santech in California for about $68.00, plus shipping. Their manager Neil is fantastic. Their phone number is:818-988-9800. Just make sure to tell them that you need either the ZIFF hard drive or the Mini IDE hard drive. Anyone not comfortable with replacing thier hard drive can call me and I can walk you through the process.

    In regards to installing a larger hard drive than 60 gigs or a faster 5400 rpm drive; Motion Computing does not recommend going larger than 60 gigs because they say the BIOS will not recognize the larger drive. This may or not be accurate, so anyone having luck with larger drives can post their comments.

    Motion also says that the faster drive is not supported by Motion or the BIOS and the faster drive may cause the Motherboard to overheat.

    The faster hard drive will also lower your battery life.

    If you want to experiment and if you have a 1.6 Ghz CPU in your LE1600, you can can get 5400 rpm drives up to 250 gigs at Kahlon.com Here is the exact link for the drives:
    http://kahlon.com/rn638788_Motion_Computing_Tablet_PC_LE1600TS_Centrino_1.6GHz.html

    Kahlon informed me that the connection for these hard drives is a ZIFF connection, so if you have the older mini IDE 50 pin connection these will not fit your unit. All of the newer 1700s have been converted over to the ZIFF connections and the last of the LE1600s were also converted to a ZIFF connection by Motion Computing.


    2) Once you pull your old Toshiba hard drive you can use it for back up storage by buying an external hard drive enclosure. The absolute best enclosure I found for the older mini IDE 50 pin Toshiba hard drive (MK3006GAL) is at:
    http://insidecomputer.stores.yahoo.n...b20alhadr.html

    It is about $20.00 and is all aluminum covered with a black vinyl and it looks super kool. It connects right up to your computer through a USB port. It even comes with its own cloth case and a USB cable.

    Anyone with questions can call me (Keith) on my cell phone:206-550-6151
     
  18. hunter44

    hunter44 Pen Pal - Newbie

    Messages:
    11
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    Thanks everybody.Sorry, I might have made a major error in my supposition that the HDD may be a Toshiba. I played with the machine a bit, and this is what the Hard Drive is listed as: HTC426030G7CE00 ATA DEVICE Suggesting that Hitachi may be the manufacturer. So I went to the Hitachi site and there is not info about that drive. Can anybody confirm if this is a Hitachi made Drive; and if so is there a matching Toshiba? Like MK 6006 GAH as suggested by kbhealthy1
     
  19. kvanderlaag

    kvanderlaag Pen Pal - Newbie

    Messages:
    22
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
  20. siriusw

    siriusw Pen Pal - Newbie

    Messages:
    1
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
Similar Threads: replace hard
Forum Title Date
Motion Computing Motion J3400 Replace Hard Drive Mar 22, 2010
Motion Computing j3500 screen replacement Dec 13, 2011
Motion Computing Help - LE1700 won't stay turned on should I replace battery? Jun 28, 2011
Motion Computing hard drive upgrade for j3400? Apr 2, 2013
Motion Computing wondering about the hard drive options for LE1700 Feb 23, 2012

Share This Page