That kind of discovery is very interesting... especially since they don't even mention it anywhere I think! I really like that in just trying to develop these AHK toolbars it has stimulated many important discussions/considerations about the different programs and how to use and customize them. I'll try to come up with a toolbar with Art Rage and SAI (two layouts) as soon as I can (but it's exam week in the course I'm teaching so I will be very busy). Edit: Oh, I just realized that I completely missed your post #79 yesterday. Thanks for all the info! I'll check for the fullscreen thing that you describe and see what I can do.