Yeah, re: Artrage-- its a shame in some way, because I love how pen friendly it is. They've really thought that element out. Its the same with Sketchbook Pro, which is also amazingly pen friendly. Why, for example, can I not put that little lagoon in the upper right corner? Why?? It would be so much nicer and helpful. Well, the same goes for Artrage-- why would I want to reach across my body and the screen to switch a tool? Why wouldn't I want to bind absolutely anything to a keystroke? I dunno. It bothers me more for those two programs than any of the others, because it's so clear that they actually really put a lot of time and attention into the GUI, and yet totally drop the ball on stuff like this, that seems pretty rudimentary in terms of functionality. You know, like, at a drafting board or a desk, how you can put a pencil here, or even over here? ::shock!:: Anyways. Rant over. Overall-- 1) The reason I had the Menu/Save/Move bar up top was so you could move the little thing out of the way after rolling it up. I wonder if there's an alternate solution, where we break up the arrows, and don't have them all on one row-- thus keeping the functionality of the AHK bar being mobile no matter what, and yet reducing its size? Sort of have Menu/ Master Up-Down Hiding Arrow/ Move buttons on top row, with something like Subordinate Horizontal Arrow 1/ Save Button/ Subordinate Horizontal Arrow 2 on the second row. 2) Load time doesn't bother me too much. I'll ponder what I'd like in the programs you've suggested. Sometimes it's just hard to think outside of the box-- like, what could I actually do if I could bind things to a key?? I've just not thought about it much. 3) I like the arrow methodology for sub button-arrays. It follows the same logic as the primary arrow, and yet they each point a different way when their palette is activated (i.e. each points outwards when active). Also, I thought we might need to use L and T somewhere else, and it might therefore cause confusion. On that note, I'd make the arrow icons notably different from the undo icons to avoid confusion. 4) Re: Menu-- have it start in Artrage I guess. Perhaps it'd be just alphabetical for the Menu list? edit- I also wondered if you could have a "Close AHK" option at the bottom of the Menu list?? Seemed easy to do, and you wouldn't have to go into the Taskbar to do it. Plus, since it's in the pull down Menu list, you'd almost never do it by accident, so that issue is solved too. Also, will the icon on the Menu be the currently active program or a kind of "M"? 5) Straight Line and Ctrl-- first, I think a toggle is the best option. You're exactly right, in that if you're making straight lines, you're doing it repeatedly. I think I'd ditch the timing for Ctrl. As for whether it should be labeled Ctrl-- my desire was to make the interface as consistent as possible between programs. Thus, for example, both Sai and Artrage have a straight line tool, but it's a different key in each program. Rather than having to remember which program uses which button, I figured it'd be easier to simply hit the icon, and the proper program-specific button would get pressed in the background. 6) Right click in Artrage and 2 layouts- Well, the idea is that having the AHK sub-palletes be available (or rolled up, if one wants) was my way of having two layouts available in one setup, depending on the pen I'm using. If I have a two button pen, then I can use Stroke It for all the Tool commands, in which case the Tool Bar is rolled up. If I don't have that pen, then I'd like those tool commands available. That sort of idea. Does that makes some sense? I wasn't sure why this decision was tied to Artrage having a lot of right-click functions though...?? 7) Hide Layer in Artrage-- I'd never done this before, as I normally use the "Eye" toggle in the Layer Pallete, but if you go to Tools Menu > Layer Options > Layer Visible, you'll see a check next to it. Tap "Layer Visible" and the check will go away, and the layer will be hidden, but there's no actual "Hide Layer" button. I mostly use this when I color in a big area (hair, for example, or a face) with basic 100% opaque tool, then I select it, hide the layer, make a new layer using the selection, and I can then easily paint "within the lines" with whatever variety of shading/colors, etc. I'd like to use. It also works really well if you invert the selection, hide the layer, and make a new layer from the inverted selection if you're painting a background, for example. This would matter less if I painted opaquely, but Artrage and Sai paint with transparency, and I do digital watercolors, which are almost never opaque, so simply putting one layer on top of other doesn't really mask things properly for me. Thus, this methodology. Anyways, that's the function of the whole thing. edit- writing that up made me think. Once I'm done painting that, I'll need to Deselect All (Ctrl + D), and that's also in a pulldown menu. It's a big circle of functions. ....I think I need a Deselct All button. edit #2- I was also thinking about the potential Hide Layer button. I wonder if it'd just be more functional to have a Layer Panel button, and remove the Hide Layer button. Open the little Layers panel, and there you can easily make a new layer, move it beneath the other layer, and then hide the layer. All things that commonly need to be done, and don't really need buttons because they're all easily accessible without going into menus, etc. So, to make clearer-- I'm asking for the Hide Layer button to be replaced with the Deselect All button, and for the Layers Panel button to remain. This simpler setup is reflected in the v2 Artrage Mockup I've attached. 8) Icons- I'll see what I can do. For the tools, I like the Artrage icons a lot. I find them easily understandable, and think they'd make sense in other art programs. Sai for sure. Is there a way to copy them, desaturate them, and redo them? Or is that opening up a ball of wax? For the layers stuff, let me ponder, and I'll get back to you. I was thinking simple text, but I like icons, frankly. I'd start with text and go from there-- I wouldn't let the lack of icons there slow you down. 9) I also wanted noodle around a bit with the button arrangement. My thought is that the most used buttons should actually be at the bottom of the primary palette, as that's the middle of the screen, and the quickest to tap. Therefore, I'd move the Color Picker/ Eyedropper row (which I use a lot with color work-- duh!), and switch it with the Transform/ Lasso row, which I use much less. And since we're getting into true nitty gritty ergonomic stuff, I think Lasso should be on the left, and Transform on the right-- you always hit Lasso first, use it, then hit Transform second, use it, then (if Transform and Lasso are toggles), you'd tap Transform to release it and tap Lasso to release it as well. Seems like Lasso on the left would be a better fit. For what its worth... Look at something long enough, and you're sure to find some way to improve it! 10) Secondary functions for buttons- I had a question. In Artrage, there's a button for Reset Canvas Rotation (Alt + D) and Reset Canvas Scale (Shift + D). I thought it would be nice if you could somehow integrate these functions into the existing rotation and/or zoom buttons. They don't get used much, but are a nice function. Like... say, tap the Rotation button, use right-click and rotate the screen like normal, but if you right-click while you tap the Rotation button, it would then activate Alt + D an reset the canvas rotation. Same for zoom. That sort of idea. Is that even doable? Or perhaps there's a different way to integrate these sort of secondary less-used functions with a button? edit-- I've uploaded a simple v2 mockup. It includes the moving around of buttons that we've discussed, with a few other minor changes-- I've removed the Eyedropper, which I almost never use, and have included a Flip Horizontally button, which I thought might be more useful. This is something that's not easily accessible in Artrage, and would be nice to have as a quick-strike kind of button. hit once, and it flips. Hit it again and it returns to original orientation. That kind of thing.