First- this is kinda fun for me too, so all's cool. If you don't feel like I'm wasting your time, I don't feel like you're wasting me. Second- I ran Window Spy, and this should explain why nothing's been working-- not even the most recent version you tried out. It's not listed as "Sai". Here's the results for all the programs- Sai- ahk_class sfl_window_class Artrage- ahk_class ArtRage 3 Sketchbook Pro 2010- ahk_class com.alias.TpWin32SketchWindow Sketchbook Pro 2011- ahk_class com.alias.TpWin32SketchWindow BTW, all this discussion helped me see how I could use Lasso, Transform, and Enter in Stroke It, using a different gesture for each one. So, even if this doesn't pan out, it's really made me think out of the box, which has been very helpful. ***zoooooom bar...... zooooom bar.....**** LOL.