Permanent Name Association With Art

Discussion in 'Artists' started by Steve S, Nov 4, 2019.

  1. Steve S

    Steve S Pen Pro - Senior Member Super Moderator

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  2. WillAdams

    WillAdams Scribbler - Standard Member Senior Member

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    Can I register artwork without paying a fee?

    Can I register artwork and choose to be anonymous (preventing others from registering it) until a time of my choosing?
  3. stoneseeker

    stoneseeker Animator and Art Director Senior Member

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    Assuming its free and effectively secure, I see it as a good thing. I see this being a hit with web-comic artists and illustrators who see their work frequently stolen or used without permission in ads etc. If it could help prevent that it would be a good start...
  4. thatcomicsguy

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    100% against it. Today.

    Let me list my personal reasons why:

    1. To be able to make truly effective DRM, you have to control hardware. I have wasted more hours trying to overcome deliberate limitations in order to make tablets and computers do what I want them to do than I should be rightly required. -Not to steal software, mind you, but just simply do legit, albeit uncommon things such as create and publish my own epub documents, or get internet over USB, -tasks which are severely hampered by DRM and morally questionable pay-to-play strategies. This applies to all Apple devices, and all Android devices. PCs are much, much easier to get working as general all-purpose tools.

    2. When you make device systems which are able to meticulously track and control data access, you end up with the perfect substrate upon which to build your Dystopian Socialist Nightmare State.

    Story: I just got a Kobo H20 reader. It's awesome!


    However.., trying to find and download books without giving Kobo or some collective bunch of property holding scum money or your private information is REALLY REALLY HARD.

    Example: I wanted to read the out-of-copyright book by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich".

    Just try finding a copy you can read without giving somebody money or your personal information.

    I managed it because I have "1337 skilz", but it was WAY harder to do than just a few years ago.

    Here's one thing which has crept into the picture; self-destructing data. For many sites, the library of congress will issue a temporary crypto key which will then staledate after 14 days. That means you can "Borrow" a digital book, and it will vanish after two weeks, leaving you with nothing but an empty reader. Forget building a reference library of your own. The state tracks and controls your information. Holy cow!

    Having the state know what you are reading is an extra level of creepy. What if this current wave of Politically Correct weirdos win the culture war? Suddenly, you won't only have to self-censure out of constant background fear of being 'cancelled', but additionally you won't even be able to look at a document without wondering who or what kind of fickle sociopathic power mongering mean girl will be spinning up a narrative enabling your total destruction via mob outrage (as a quick energy snack.)

    Those lunatics are popularizing book burnings again. Greeeeeeat.

    But without DRM.., how can an author or artist make a buck?

    Well that's the other side of the equation isn't it? -And without question, there are many very valid and strong arguments to be made there. The path forward, as always, must be a balance between the two extremes.
    As they say, to walk forward, the Left and Right foot must take turns.

    But right now, today, (as a proud Kobo owner who just spent the last 24 hours banging his head against a computer desk in frustration), I am focused on the rights of the common individual over those of the content creator, the state and the digital oligarchy.
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  5. ticol

    ticol Pen Pal - Newbie

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    I don't know if it could change things about people using art without the artist consentment.
    Once what you produce is public there will always be people to take for free what they can see on the internet.
    I often encounter that phenomenom. People using drawings I did and saying "but I found it on internet. It must be free".
    The fact there's a name linked to a piece of art won't bother them more.

    I once was contacted by a guy asking me to reproduce another illustrator style and characters because he contacted him and his fees were too high. As I'm not as famous, he explained to me it would be cheaper to work with me. I, not very politely, declined the offer !
  6. YVerloc

    YVerloc Scribbler - Standard Member

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    i think attribution is important. But DRM is a terrible solution. The solution I would prefer is an authoritative reverse image lookup that always finds (and explicitly notes) the attributed source.

    ...and for a giant sinkhole to open up under Pinterest HQ and swallow it whole, staff and all. They have done more to obfuscate attribution than anyone. Stalin couldn't have erased history better.
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  7. doobiedoobiedum

    doobiedoobiedum Scribbler - Standard Member Senior Member

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    Without a cultural sea-change, I don't think it will work and it may end up as being pushed by Adobe to shift more subscriptions. Intellectual property rights don't just stop with artists and producers of content - you have to see a change in consumer expectation that someone, somewhere has worked hard to produce something and just because it's on the internet doesn't mean it's free.
    Lots of people still expect 'free" - from downloading pirated software to comics, a lot of people simply expect things to be free. I've argued online with some who know they are pirating and they actually blame the content producers for daring to want payment for their efforts and I've also argued with people who just simply weren't educated on the fact someone needs paid for their work.

    I know Apple is hated but years ago when pretty much every new music release was pirated and distributed within minutes of release - Apple produced the iPod and iTunes. They dared to charge customers for what they could still get free.

    I don't know if Adobe and Twitter's move is going to be a success in the same way the Apple store grew - but right now from discussions with friends - the Apple store is still where indie game makers and app creators are more likely to see financial return for their product.
    It's a walled garden - but maybe it works for consumers and producers.
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