OneNote 365 is coming to an end...

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  1. b52hbuff

    b52hbuff Scribbler - Standard Member

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    I have been on these boards a long time and know that there are many long time users of Microsoft OneNote. The Surface Pro was purpose made to be a great note taking device.

    For those of you who may not have heard, Microsoft has announced the end of support for ON 365. They are asking for feedback on the ON UWP (Microsoft Store) application, so they can make sure important/missing features get worked on.

    Given the amount of history with OneNote on this board, I wanted to know if anyone prefers the UWP (Win 10/ free) version over the Win32 (Office 365 / paid)? For the lawyers on the board, how much of a deal breaker is the lack of local file storage?


    Anyway, here is some background information:

    https://techcommunity.microsoft.com...-p/183974?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral
     
  2. jhoff80

    jhoff80 Scribbler - Standard Member Senior Member

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    I know that some people prefer how the UWP version lays down ink compared to OneNote 2016. To me, it always ends up feeling like the UWP version is post-processing what I write in a way that I don't like. And I'll admit in recent versions, OneNote UWP does sync far faster than the 2016 version.

    My personal opinion on it overall though is that OneNote 2016 is a best-in-class note-taking application, and OneNote UWP is 'just another' note-taking application. OneNote UWP removes the large majority of OneNote 2016's standout features.

    On top of that, in spite of the UWP version's touch focus, 2016's fullscreen mode is far superior (for me) to any view that the UWP version is capable of.
     
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  3. b52hbuff

    b52hbuff Scribbler - Standard Member

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    I forgot to add that Microsoft is soliciting your input as to what you think is missing in ON UWP. Here is a quote from the URL I posted:
    So I recommend folks who aren't happy with the change or have a critical feature they need "ported" from ON 365 to ON UWP, add your voice to the FeedBack Hub.
     
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  4. jhoff80

    jhoff80 Scribbler - Standard Member Senior Member

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    Oh, believe me. Already done (not all filed by myself).

    Dark Theme: https://aka.ms/AA1aazc
    Better calendar support (on-premises Exchange meeting details aren't supported): https://aka.ms/AA1aioj
    Disable show unread changes: https://aka.ms/AA1aiok
    Custom tags and search by tags: https://aka.ms/AA1aiol
    Ribbon inconsistent with other Office apps: https://aka.ms/AA1aiom
    Fullscreen mode: https://aka.ms/AA1aion
    More text formatting controls: https://aka.ms/AA1aaze
    Audio indexing / linked notetaking: https://aka.ms/AA1aazg
    Page templates: https://aka.ms/AA1aazg

    There's a ton of other stuff too, but this is just a start. I totally understand why one might want to use a more simplified notetaking app. But discontinuing the fully-featured one is just a bad move. Why is OneNote the only Office team that isn't given enough resources to maintain both the 'lite' version and the full version?
     
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    b52hbuff Scribbler - Standard Member

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    Awesome! Some of it is coming. They say they are working on Tags. I know you can add audio recordings, but are you saying that ON UWP doesn't link recording to the ink??
     
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    Kumabjorn ***** is back Senior Member

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    The ability for add-ons. The whole note management part is missing.
     
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    dstrauss Comic Relief Senior Member

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    In two words - THIS SUCKS!

    It is a part of the continuing march to the "lowest common denominator" in the guise of "ease of use." I am extremely prejudiced about the drumbeat for "going to the cloud" with everything, and that holds true in spades for a lawyer and confidential client information.

    And I agree 1000% with @jhoff80 's assessment that "OneNote UWP is 'just another' note-taking application." Granted, the addition of "Add Space" has been a very welcome addition, and I have mused about the usability of OneNote on iOS now, but it is still a LAME SHADOW of OneNote 2016.

    Frankly, I am tired of Microsoft's Apple-envy; drive the herd to the lowest common denominator, stick it in the cloud, and we have them by the *******...and of course , WE know what's best for you - just do as we say and be good little sheep...this reminds me of the Twilight Zone episode "How to Serve Man." Apple and Microsoft are Kanamits.

    Man, he sure woke up grumpy this morning, didn't he?
     
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    I'll have to confirm but when I last checked around two weeks ago it just dumped an audio file onto the page and had no context of what you were inking at the time. Whereas on 2016, you can press play on a button near the ink to jump to that point in the recording, or you can also play the audio and it'll highlight your notes as it plays. As for tags, they say they're working on adding more tags but what's most important about that for me is the ability to search by tags - like for example to categorize all "To-Do" tags and "Important" tags into a single view across all notebooks. Hope that's not forgotten in the mix.

    Some of the stuff I'd like to see in the UWP version is also just flat-out impossible in UWP's security model. For example, embedding an Excel spreadsheet. Because in UWP everything is sandboxed and siloed, you just get a link to the file rather than embedding. Or the entire Linked Notes feature. Since each UWP app is completely independent, one app can't know what you're doing in another app. So that's gone entirely. (Microsoft seems to have attempted to replace Linked Notes sort of with the Researcher pane in some ways, but it's a pale imitation in my opinion). And as mentioned, add-ins are totally out of the question.

    Also, I don't know that I would agree with the "Apple-envy" assessment. I'd say it's more IBM-envy. They only care about Windows, Office, and devices to drive the cloud. Which is fine, but if they continue to neglect and push people away as consumers, what makes them think that future IT decision makers will choose them over Google or AWS (or Slack, or any number of others pushing into traditionally Microsoft-owned markets)? I honestly don't agree with the large majority of Microsoft's decisions these days. For just one example, I know it's all dev-focused at these events, but compare the complete snoozefest of Build to Google's I/O this year... and yet some of the things Google announced are things Microsoft actually did first, like this app to help the blind see the world. There's just no excitement about anything Microsoft is doing, even when they did it first. But hey, short-term profits I guess.
     
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    lovelaptops My friends call me Jeff Senior Member

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    Just wondering, does anyone think there is a close enough competitor to One Note Desktop that they might see the opportunity and rescue us all? Evernote? I know they are all deficient in one way or another, but if ON is popular enough our dissatisfaction with the changes should show up in the market research of others. Or do you think MS' willingness to relegate this application alone to UWP-only is in part a reflect of the product not being popular enough - for MS volume standards - to be worth supporting as a stand-alone desktop app. Also, how important is it to folks to be forced away from local storage? For that matter, is is not possible to, in two-step-proces, to save to One Note, then dowload to any local storage or to another non-MS cloud?
     
  10. b52hbuff

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    Your sentiment reminds me of a tweet I sent Panos Pany and the head of OneNote group. I purchased an SP2 to run desktop-class applications on a tablet. If MS Office applications are optimized for other tablets, then I have no incentives to buy Surface. I could buy other tablets with better battery life, lower cost, etc...
     
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