On 180 screen rotation text becomes blurry. Anyone else encountered/fixed?

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  1. eckie

    eckie Pen Pal - Newbie

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    I just recently noticed that when I rotate my screen, whether manually or automatically,the text becomes slightly blurry, it seems especially noticeable in flipped landscape mode. When in normal orientation its perfectly crisp and normal looking. This seems to be the case whether running off the Intel graphics or the ATI graphics.

    Anyone else encountered this? Or (crosses fingers) fixed it?
     
  2. hyperrage

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    isnt this that clear type thing? if i remember right ive seen a program that auto recalibrates when you rotate. the idea being to fix your problem?
     
  3. eckie

    eckie Pen Pal - Newbie

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    You wouldn't happen to know what its called or where I could find that app would you? I did a quick search and didn't come up with anything. I did try calibrating the Cleartype, but like I mentioned its fine in normal landscape mode, but when rotated it gets all hooey.
     
  4. heatlesssun

    heatlesssun Scribbler - Standard Member Senior Member

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    You might want to go into the AMD and Intel color correction options and adjust those settings. I've done that to help improve display my quality and it made a nice difference for my screen color and contrast.
     
  5. eckie

    eckie Pen Pal - Newbie

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    The problem is only text and only when the screen is rotated. I guess no one else had had this issue. Sigh, i guess I have to call HP customer service.
     
  6. gessner17

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    If it's clear type, you can turn clear type off by going to control panel-->fonts-->adjust cleartype text. Since 7 has built in touchpad support it might be adjusting it.
     
  7. Lord Nightmare

    Lord Nightmare Pen Pal - Newbie

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    The problem is exactly what the previous poster said: Microsoft Cleartype (which is sub-pixel rendering the fonts). When the screen is in its landscape orientation, the pixel order, left to right, per pixel, is Red-Green-Blue (RGB). When the screen is in its landscape (alternate) orientation, the order is Blue-Green-Red (since the screen is now upside down) and this will cause the text to get all smeary and weird if cleartype is turned on and in RGB mode, which it is by default.

    There are three solutions:
    1. Turn off ClearType entirely; go to Control Panel->Appearance and Personalization->Display and in the sidebar you will see 'Adjust Cleartype Text'. Click this, and on the first screen where it says "Make the text on your screen easier to read", uncheck the 'Turn on Cleartype' checkbox, then hit next, then (weirdly) hit cancel (NOT Next!) [Note: this is probably a bug in the cleartype tuner control panel; hitting cancel should ignore all the changes done in the wizard so far, i.e. the change to the checkbox... but it does work and cleartype should be off, hence your fonts are now displayed with no antialiasing at all in this mode, i.e. all pixel-y]

    2. Switch ClearType to BGR mode; go to Control Panel->Appearance and Personalization->Display and in the sidebar you will see 'Adjust ClearType Text'. Click this, and on the first screen where it says "Make the text on your screen easier to read", check the 'Turn on ClearType' box if it is not checked, then hit Next. on the second screen, click next again. On the third screen, "Click the text sample that looks best to you (1 of 4)", click the RIGHTMOST box. (This is BGR mode; the left box is normally selected and is RGB mode). After doing this, hit next a bunch of times (you can adjust the other ClearType settings on those pages but I usually leave them alone) until the wizard is finished. Be warned that you will have to do this every time you change screen orientation; windows doesn't seem to (yet?) have the ability to 'hold' ClearType settings for different screen orientations. Very annoying.

    Or... (this is probably the best solution)
    3. Switch ClearType to 'Anti-alias only' mode, i.e. disable sub-pixel rendering; go to Control Panel->Appearance and Personalization->Display and in the sidebar you will see 'Adjust ClearType Text'. Click this, and on the first screen where it says "Make the text on your screen easier to read", check the 'Turn on ClearType' box if it is not checked, then hit Next. on the second screen, click next again. On the third screen, "Click the text sample that looks best to you (1 of 4)", click either one of the boxes, it doesn't actually matter. On the fourth screen "...(2 of 4)", click whichever box looks least bad; on the fifth screen "...(3 of 4)", click the rightmost box (THIS IS IMPORTANT; only the rightmost box on this screen will disable sub-pixel rendering!), and on the sixth screen "...(4 of 4)" click whichever of the boxes looks best. Play around with the settings if you don't like the ones I suggested, there are 2*6*3*6 total possible settings for ClearType, though only 2*6*1*6 of them have sub-pixel rendering disabled.
    With this solution, the fonts should look equally as good in whatever screen orientation you use, regardless of pixel order. They won't look quite as good as with sub-pixel rendering, but you can't have everything.

    Also note if you use ClearType and you use the windows 7 screen magnifier, you will be able to clearly see all the color fringing/sub-pixel-rendering around text which ClearType does.

    LN
     
  8. jkenny23

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    If you do choose method 2, a good thing to do is make a shortcut to the "Adjust Clear Type Text" settings, via setting up a "GodMode" folder as seen here: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10423985-56.html
    Then scroll down to "Display" and right click on the cleartype setting and click create shortcut.
     
  9. Frank

    Frank Scribbler - Standard Member Senior Member

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    That's the cleartype rotator which should do this automatically:
    http://www.dragonseye.com/blog/pages/CTR.html

    Sadly, I did not get it work properly on Win 7.

    So at the moment I switch from RGB to BGR manually by opening the Windows ClearType settings each time.

    I hope someone finds a really good solution, with ClearType activated :)
     
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  10. Fishface

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    CTR works fine for me on win 7.

    Only trouble is if I have a monitor plugged in and I'm in tablet mode, then I can't set BGR on one and RGB on the other.
     
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