NOW AVAILABLE: ENVY x2 / Spectre XT TouchSmart / ENVY TouchSmart 4 Ultrabooks (Windows 8)

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  1. bloodycape

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    500-600 would be unlikely for this, or for any atom tablets with a digitizer?
     
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    Does the fact that this is an Envy mean no enterprise service? That has been the one bright spot of slate ownership.

    I think that this unit will probably have one of the best keyboards but the atom power, price, lack of tablet ports and glare display are detractors for me. I do really like the design, however. It is a beautiful device and Envys are well built.
     
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    Agreed. I don't think that there will be anything for less than $600. At least not at release date. HP has not announced the X2's price because trey want to see how the press and public react to the device. I don't see much enthusiasm about it (comparatively) from either segment. Personally, I find it lame. HP has disappointed again. Maybe the Slate 8 will be nice...

    On the other hand, from what I read online, the Surface has got everybody's attention. Both public and press have fallen in love with it. The Ativ seems to come in 2nd in popularity. And all the others seem to come in a distant, far away, 3rd... I think Microsoft and Samsung will easily outsell everyone else.
     
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    Hm. E-schreiber, I don't find anything lame about it all, seems like a very good option for the right user. But different strokes for different folks, right? We're not all business users. Perhaps you're just not a good fit for what this product is offering.

    I don't need ports on my slate-- I would use it in the field or to draw. If I want ports I'd dock it. I'm unsure about Atom yet, but we'll see-- it's no different from any other Atom hybrid though, so I don't see the complaint. It also looks like it'll get fantastic battery life, with the dual battery system, and I love how it'll charge from the keyboard first. As for the media reaction, that's odd- I've seen only rather enthusiastic mini-reviews and spots on it, honestly. Great solid build, very light and sleek design, great battery life, very responsive, etc etc. All the typical stuff. Where's the lukewarm reception you're seeing? I'm not saying it's perfect (no pen silo), but I don't understand your attitude.

    I mean, why not give it some credit for what it does right, and think about what it's user base might be, before going around spreading salt on everything?

    BTW, Bronsky, what's the story on screen glare? Is it supposed to be worse than other recent slates? It seemed the same-- nice screen, good high nit rating (400 nits! Remember when that was nearly impossible?), but glossy. I haven't seen anything different. I'd love to get something with a better outdoor/high-glare screen, but nothing has been provided yet. I keep waiting for Motion to step up with something newer.
     
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    I think you're correct that the Envy has a typical glossy screen, no better or worse than other glosy displays (actually it looks like it will be a bit brighter than most). I have a glossy display on my slate and will not own another one. I could be using my slate outside quite a bit and find that it is useless anywhere other than in an office, airplane, courtroom or maybe a dingy bar. I even struggle in airports, conference rooms and other places with large bright expansive glass areas that let in a lot of sunlight and have to look for places to work. One of the mandatory features of my next device is a non-glare display. I also had no success using non-glare screen protectors with the N-Trig touch and pen, so aftermarket correction did not work for me.

    I assume the new Thinkpad tablet will have a matt display but that is an Atom device. I'm also hoping that the Surface has a matt display as well.
     
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    Actually that was more of a question, than a comment. But, I guess you sort of answered it, saying that you think there won't be any digitized tablets with Atom going for under $600 or so.


    Again I maybe referring to this a bit, but why not since I have it. I dunno if the Thinkpad Tablet 2 will be non-glossy, seeing as Tablet 1 is fairly glossy for something called a Thinkpad. I want to say vs my Touchpad it is a bit less gloss, but it also looks to be a bit lower in brightness at all levels. I am hoping that is change for 2, but who knows.

    On a side note I kind of want to see if HP or anyone else will make a AMD based tablet with a digitizer.
     
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    Ah, ok. I agree that a matte display or a display with an anti-reflectie layer would be an amazing find. Truthfully, that's more important for my usage than anything else- I've just not found anything listed as such yet, so I sort of disregarded it. Remember that Panasonic Android tablet that they demoed in the Dallas Cowbuys arena last fall/ winter? Whatever happened to that? I'd love a win8 slate in the Toughbook line, but there hasnt been a single peep from them yet.
     
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    Funny you should ask. Looks like a September release in Asia. 10" tablet for $1,600.:eek: Panasonic Toughpad announced for Asia - Crave - Tablets - CNET Asia But, at the bottom, it says that this tablet should be released in an RT version in 2013. Note the pen silo.
     
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    Lol. Dude, who's their market? That price is crazy for an Android tablet. 8(

    The weight and thickness isn't bad at all for such a tough machine (2 lbs and .7" thick), and the screen brightness looks good. It's got a pen too, which is good news. But 1600$ for an Android slate is .... Sigh. A very select market.
     
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    The place I have seen the toughbooks is in hospitals. Doctors don't seem to mind overpaying for hardware.:rolleyes:
     
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    I've seen older Toughbooks in the hands of regular home repair people, where I would think an X series tablet or HP business tablet would do. Two of the local BofA branches I have seen the bank manager, and who ever else on the floor also have Toughbooks(looks like a 10in model), and Fujitsu tablets.
     
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    I don't think the Envy X2 is "lame" at all. But I do think it's an extremely different product than Elitebook tablets of the past, aimed at a very different market. The "Envy" name instead of "Elitebook" says it all. This is not a business device meant for stylus-toting businesspeople. It's a consumer tablet. It's meant for people who are looking at stuff like the iPad and Surface RT, but who want a little more utility than iOS and Windows RT can deliver (hence the 11.6" screen, the keyboard dock, and full Windows 8 thanks to the x86 processor), but still want a lightweight fanless design and all-day battery life.

    I'll agree the Surface RT got the majority of press because (1) it's Microsoft hardware, and (2) it had a big event all to itself well before IFA. However, I wouldn't agree that other IFA offerings, such as the Ativ lineup, has gotten a better reception than the Envy X2. I've seen complaints that the Ativ hardware (particularly the keyboard dock) feels cheap, whereas every reviewer who has looked at the Envy X2 has just fawned over the build quality of the hardware--the IPS screen, the locking mechanism for the keyboard dock, the hinge that elevates and tilts the keyboard, and the keyboard itself.

    And I also think that the Envy X2 fills an important market position that the Surface doesn't. A lot of people like me don't want to spend $1000+ for an Ivy Bridge tablet and don't want the weight and shorter battery life that comes along with Ivy Bridge. But I just don't have much faith in the app selection for Windows RT, at least not for the first couple years. The Atom setup offers the best of both words, with the light weight and long battery life of ARM but with the program selection of x86. And there's no Surface Atom.
     
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    HP Envy x2 (Intel Clover Trail) review: first look | PC Pro blog

    Speedy.

    " I was able to run a sneaky browser benchmark, establishing a SunSpider score for the unreleased 1.8GHz Intel Z2760 platform of 909 milliseconds. That’s well ahead of established ARM-based tablets such as the iPad (1,805ms) and the Asus Transformer Prime (2,340ms). For comparison, the Sandy Bridge MacBook Air I’m writing this on scored 313ms."
     
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    I'm trying to get a bead on wht I should expect from a processor like this. Something in the low core2duo range? I've got an x200t with a 1.86 sl9400. The z2760 looks like its about 1/2- 2/3 as fast. Does that sound about right? I guess the real qluestion is the benefits we would see from it being dual core.
     
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    AWESOME.

    If Atom bests ARM for performance (ever being in the same ballpark as ULV Ivy Bridge) and matches ARM for battery life, it's worth every penny of the added price of a Windows RT tablet. Far superior compatibility, better performance, equally long battery life, and equally slim fanless profile? Awesome.
     
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    Yeah, I do have to say that the thin profile and the reported 14 hours max of battery life between the tablet and dock on the Envy is really juicy. Even if real world usage is 1/2- 2/3 that (say, 7-9 hours of good use), those are exceptionally good numbers for something that comes in at 3 lbs with a full sized keyboard, touch interface, and a Wacom digitizer, and full Windows.

    In truth, it's not the processor that concerns me the most, but the 2 gb ram. I've often been surprised at how much better things have run in the past with that jump to 4 gb ram-- a much more noticeable improvement than, say, the jump from 4 to 8gb. I hope that we can open it up and shove a 4 gb chip into the slot. 4 ought to be enough for most normal usage, but I'm still a bit concerned by 2, honestly.
     
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    Well I am told the new Atoms suppose to be fairly close to what the old SU2300 C2D was performing, though GPU is still questionable if it can match the old 4500hd gpu in the C2D models. I think I also read these new Atoms, pending if ram is solder on or not) can support 3gb of ram. On the other hand not sure if 64bit or out of order execution is enabled on these cpus or not.
     
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    Sorry, where exactly did you find out that the envy x2 will be coming with a wacom digitizer? I've been frantically trying to find some info on what the optional pen will be working on.

    To be honest I'm very sceptical. As much as I wish for this device to run wacom, I think that if they did implement it they would promote it much more openly, considering it doesn't actually appear in many devices and probably cost a lot more to implement as say, n-trig. Plus, if they state that the pen would be optional, I would imagine they will be implementing some technology that is more expendable, as using a Wacom digitizer without the consumers even taking advantage of it would be a waste of space and manufacturing budget.

    But seriously, fingers crossed that HP is pulling off miracles to make such a good looking, sturdy device with top notch quality.

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    Ah, you caught me. You're right! I looked around, and that's a presumption I was making about Wacom, so we'll see. I guess since more tablets seem to be going Wacom than normal (the Thinkpad is, and the two Samsung tablets are since they're S-Pens), I sort of presumed this one was too. But the Sony Vaio is N-Trig, so there ya' go. Can't say for sure.
     
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    The Asus vivo is also running wacom. But what I've noticed is that the OEMs publicise it as a premium feature, much like having lte connectivity or what-not. The fact that HP is not so psyched with releasing any information on what type of digitizer, if they actually have implemented one (god forbid capacitive stylus) suggest otherwise.

    I really hope they have implemented wacom if not comparative technology (heck, I wouldn't even mind n-trig's series 4), and if that happens I will be end my search for a replacement for my oversized laptop.

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