Microsoft's next Surface event is on October 2

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  1. sonichedgehog360

    sonichedgehog360 AKA Hifihedgehog Senior Member

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    Actually, they still have "that" model and it is completely meaningless this time around (see my post above). The M3 is cheaper, no doubt about that, than the i5 model. But with just 4 GB RAM, you might as well buy either the Surface Go with 8 GB RAM for something smaller and more convenient or cough up the extra $150 and get the significantly faster quad-core i5 Surface Pro 6.
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    Seriously, the more I read, the more poor product decisions I find with this generation. At this point, I have resigned to the fact that this was a disaster release. But I actually find it quite funny how they let so very many bad decisions slip through unnoticed. It has basically become a scavenger hunt of finding the next mistake. They really were not even trying and the difference in effort compared to last year is crystal clear. All that said, I am officially signing off now.
     
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    The Microsoft Store Website has no mention of a Core M3 Pro 6. The lowest spec config for the Pro 6 is i5/8GB/128GB.
     
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    Imagine that you're a business... With a product that's selling quite well. It's still selling months and months after the initial release despite competitors moving to a faster part (Quad).

    Now, yes, you do have plans for a new product but, could take the safe and easy road to keep the cash coming in. What do you do?


    You darn well release the updated part/machine to keep the cash coming in.

    Quad core, on a tablet, has been a dream of mine for a long time and, despite knowing that there's a quad Dell tablet out there, the dual core versions runs very hot so I'm not touching the quad. But, saying that, I'm perfectly happy with the Surface pro core i5, fanless, 4Gb version. But quad... . Plus I have zero need for TB3. None. My phone is usb c as is my Go pro 7 black. It just meant buying new cables.
     
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    dstrauss Comic Relief Senior Member

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    It's the question that is wrong, not the answer. The real question is "Why are you in the hardware business in the first place?" and Microsoft's constant answer has been to push the platform forward by designing reference hardware. They haven't done that now for two generations of devices.

    So if they want to just be another Dell, HP, Lenovo, whatever, your question and answer is correct, and we should treat them with the same level of "Meh" that the others would get - EXCEPT - the otherss are now doing much more to forward the reference designs (USB-C, Thunderbolt 3, MX150 and AMD GPU solutions, new form factors, etc). This just looks like Microsoft playing out the clock until they tire of having a hardware division, just like they tired of prior hardware operations.
     
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    This is a good observation!

    It's often that the founding spark of an idea can be powerful enough to change the world, but then people lose energy, lose sight, get promoted.., and employees settle into desks which were at one point set up as almost temporary positions to facilitate that 'crazy' new idea. -Now that the crazy idea has found legs, the support crew, being human with human needs, finds themselves less interested in being young and crazy and more interested in making the next mortgage payment and financing junior's dental work. That's fair, but it has certain results which must be expected.

    One of the typical patterns seen in successful businesses is that of the Crazy Inventor and Visionary who gets his business off the ground, experiences huge success, and then needs to hire bureaucrats to keep his ship afloat, since it's run on about 50% crazy-fuel. They settle in and realize that the shop is unsustainable, they pull all nighter survival strategy meetings in an effort to save the day, and settle on a conservative game plan which brings the account back from the brink of heart failure. -And paradoxically, they end up firing the original genius, (or at least relegating him to a back office where he can't do any harm or make insane press releases.)

    It looks like MS's cute little version of Bell Labs has run its course a little early.
     
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    Spot on! The investment bankers have spoken, and Satya and his board have listened. Perhaps this has been the plan all along - jump start the OEM's so that Windows 8 didn't die on the vine, and now that Windows 10 is holding its own, let the real OEM's run the asylum.

    Since it wasn't live streamed it was hard to tell, and often pictures have an editorial bent of their own, but the pictures accompanying the live blog showed a rather tired and reserved Panos Panay - a real shame - unless he finds greener pastures at Google or Apple...
     
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    so Windows Home...
     
  10. dstrauss

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    I just read Paul Thurrott's "Premium Content" meager defense of deprecating Pro to Home and recommending we "stop worrying about nothing and move on...." Wrote a pretty nasty reply and cancelled my premium subscription - I've had it with apologists in all camps (Microsoft, Apple, Google):

    "Paul, I beg to differ, and feel you are drinking the Microsoft KoolAid much like you have criticized Apple fanboys. This is not "...worrying about nothing and move on..." but a continuation of a pattern of deprecating the brand at every turn. I've been on the bandwagon since the first Surface Pro, owned the SP3, SP4, and Surface Book 2. Since the Surface Pro 4 there has been no meaningful development of the platform. Replacing processors nearly a year after other OEM's have started using them, is a travesty. We are already paying FAR TOO HIGH of a premium for these devices; they refuse to adopt industry standards (USB-C and Thunderbolt 3); never included an essential keyboard with the device (despite heralding them as the tablet that can replace a laptop); they then dropped the pen to accessory status; and now there is no Pro there either. This event barely warranted a press release to announce new processor upgrades - even though they are being coy about which SKU's of the i5 and i7 they are using (much like "which Nvidia" on the original Surface Book and now the Surface Studio 2 - which by the way is only getting a 7th generation Intel Core processor). It's time to stop making excuses for Microsoft and demand they make these reference designs or shut it down like Zune and Nokia."
     
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