Lenovo Windows 8 ThinkPad Tablet 2 - Tablet + dockable Keyboard Combo

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  1. e-schreiber

    e-schreiber ƒ(x) / fashion Senior Member

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    Atoms should not be considered by those who are serious gamers or plan to spend lots of time gaming on the device. Atoms are for

    • Office,
    • basic image editing,
    • web browsing,
    • emailing,
    • music,
    • light gaming,
    • 480p videos (720p, maybe).


    People with higher expectations than this should think thrice before spending $600 on a Clover Trail Tablet PC. By getting an i5 device, one would have his computing needs covered for (at least) the next 4 years. This is a no brainer. The new Atoms are fast enough for many, many people, but not for all.
     
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    fatpolomanjr Scribbler - Standard Member

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    If I read nniitt's post correctly, it seems like the concern is Atom not being able to handle tasks that the tablet is meant for, such as Word or OneNote, because it is unable to handle simple things like 3D pinball. This is a valid concern, IMO, and I think many of us are worried about, for instance, inking lag. Based on positive experiences with the ATIV 500T that I've been seeing, it seems like Atoms are able to do reasonably well, with unreal battery life at that.

    If all one cares about is 1080p content, gaming, photoshop, etc. then the obvious answer is to just get an Ivy Bridge powered tablet or tablet pc.
     
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    Agreed. Drawing and writing with a stylus is also on the list.
     
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    If you search for Thinkpad Tablet 2 in Accessories on Lenovo's site, there is a "slim case" available, which doubles as a smart cover. I placed an order for one as well as the keyboard.

    edit: Their site seems to be wonky right now so here's the info:

     
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    Intel Core tablets are thick, heavy, noisy, warm and most important they do not have long battery life. 5 Hours max. Thats why Atoms are considerable.
    I cannot tolerate the fear of running out of battery when Im out or having a thick and heavy tablet.
     
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    I still can't imagine somebody wanting to game or do any serious photo or video editing on an Atom powered tablet. You have to be realistic for such intensive tasks, and the 2GB of RAM + Atom just won't cut it. For MANY other tasks, however, I think (and hope) the Clover Trail is sufficient, especially for what I want to use it for: creating handwritten math lectures, annotating research article pdfs, and scribbling ideas and work onto digital paper.
     
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    e-schreiber ƒ(x) / fashion Senior Member

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    According to the many reviews on the Ativ 500T thread, Clover Trail is more than enough for all that. I might get a 500T by the Summer. I use my TM2 on Power Saver mode and Intel GPU most of the time. I'm sure the Atom would be enough for me. I could always grab the TM2 for any eventual heavy task.
     
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    Thanks man, that really helped. so, with that case, do you think its logical to pay 120 $ for a very very thick BT keyboard which is not even battery-packed ?
    Another matter, I think they are not ready to ship. Not just the TPT2, even the accessories. Theres a tiny picture of that case in the site with just one angle. even if you watch the video they just show you that small photo of the case and put some description next to it.

    Theres a user review in the UMPCPortal about Ativ 500T and in the page 2, he has uploaded a video of movie editing on it.
    [video=youtube;0bF3kiikxCc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0bF3kiikxCc[/video]

    There is one thing and just one thing that considers me. Writing and PDF/PowerPoint annotation.
    Watch this video, which has been uploaded by a user in this forum.
    Windows 8 Metro PDF Reader app review on Samsung Ativ 500T tablet - YouTube
    It's kinda tragic. but everyone says writing in Ativ Smart PC 500T is a joy. I dont know which one to believe.

    P.S. in ITPro's early review of this device they mention this about the display :
    Has anybody read any other comments about the display ?
     
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    @manuelcalavera,

    Inking in the start menu 'tiles' is going to be tragic and variable app to app for a long time to come. Microsoft intneded the inking to be developed by each Metro 'app' writer so it is going to be like inking in Android. When you see videos showing good or bad inking performance try to keep this in mind and sort out the apps from the desktop applications.

    When people state that inking is OneNote is good they are likely refering to the classic desktop OneNote and not OneNote MX.

    As far as video and photo editing on a dual core Atom goes, I photo edit with my Q550 all the time with PaintShopPro. Video editing with VideoStudio barely runs and is so horribly slow that it is not worth the effort. My Q550 is a single core Atom running at 1.5 Ghz. I would expect the TPT2 to run much more acceptably with a dual core Atom 1.8Ghz. It will not be equivalent to a desktop but these portable editing tools are not intended to be.
     
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    500 t looks nice but is probably too big and heavy for me.

    As for video editting, it is probably too gpu-intensive for atom processors to handle.
     
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    Just as another Samsung XE500t user I can confirm the atom does surprisingly well with just about all the tasks you would expect to do on an atom based machine. No lag with the inking, word and one note etc open up very speedily. Only time I've experienced lag so far was in desktop IE with 13 tabs open. For small canvas work or touch ups the thing can even handle your photoshop (but I say that hesitantly as thats not what I purchased it for nor do I think its the right tool for the job, was testing it for someone). Loving the wider landscape mode too makes the split screen/snap view a lot more enjoyable.
     
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    Another funny thing I found today that TPT2 is not using Gorilla Glass ( neither 1 no 2 ) , it uses AGC Dragontrail Glass and I dont know what the hell is that. I guess the washed out colored mentioned in ITPro's preview is resulted by this thing!
     
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    what about playing 720p/1080p video? Can TPT2 handle it?
     
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    "Gorilla Glass" is just a brand of tough glass. There are other companies making this kind of product out there. The "ThinkPad" brand has been associated with durability and sturdiness for 2 decades (like Dell's Latitude and HP's EliteBook).... In all likelihood, the TPT2 -- as a whole -- is super tough....Just like the other ThinkPads before it. Until we see reviews, it's too early to dismiss the glass on the TP2T.

    According to Intel, Clover Trail Atoms can play 720p videos smoothly. Videos at 1080p, on the other hand, play "ok". People in need of flawless 1080p playback in fullscreen should save themselves the trouble and purchase an i3 or i5 tablet instead. With my old i5 I can play two 1080p movies in fullscreen at the some time without hiccups using "extended display".
     
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    Gorilla Glass is a Corning product. It is a well known anti-everything glass lol. But man, that Dragontail thing is just a mistery, and not a good one. Dragontail has just used in Xperia active a year ago. Something is fishy about that.


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    No great mystery. Dragontrail glass is a competitor for gorilla glass. It is chemically hardened glass. It is relatively new, being anounced at CES in 2011. It is made by Asahi glass which makes tempered auto glass.
     
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    So I tried a 3D pinball game on my Samsung ATIV Smart PC 500T running an Intel Atom Z2760 CPU and it seemed to run it just fine. No issues as far as I could tell. It was fairly difficult to record and play at the same time, and I'm not that great at pinball anyway but it was just a test. You can check it out here:

    3D Pinball On Atom Z2760 Clover Trail - YouTube
     
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    Wait -- how did you already place an order?

    Also, have you guys seen this? Estimated ship date is 12/31. Figure that's just a placeholder?

    I want one of these things!!
     
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    For what its worth I have the Samsung XE500T Clover trail based tablet and can confirm it runs 720p and surprisingly 1080p fine even when multitasking. Test was conducted in cyberlinks dvd software (comes bundled) and once I enabled hardware acceleration was smooth as butter.
     
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    Well this is a surprise:

    Lenovo ThinkPad Tablet 2 with Windows 8

    Two thinkpad tablet 2's @ 40% off? If my estimates are right, say $700 times 2 times 0.6, and you get $840. So $420 per tablet, before tax. Not bad, though what would I do with two of those?
     
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