Lenovo Windows 8 ThinkPad Tablet 2 - Tablet + dockable Keyboard Combo

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  1. fatpolomanjr

    fatpolomanjr Scribbler - Standard Member

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    That price is bothersome, but this is similar to the X1 Carbon. I wonder what the street price will be after coupons and discounts; B&N Gold can get up to 25% off before taxes. It seems like all of these new Win 8 tablets are being priced pretty high, which is even more disappointing if the RT prices are similar.
     
  2. Kazy

    Kazy Pen Pal - Newbie

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    Two words:

    Wacom Digitizer.
     
  3. Steve B

    Steve B Moderator Moderator

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    The other atom tablets have Wacom too. They don't cost as much. So I don't think that's true. Or the other tablets have things like dockable keyboards with extra batteries and thus cost the same (or are actually still less!).
     
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  4. Kazy

    Kazy Pen Pal - Newbie

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    What other tablets? How much do they cost? I don't think they've released their pricing yet.

    The ASUS tablet is 699 just for the RT.
     
  5. bloodycape

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    I think the 10in Dell slate is Wacom based, still not sure what the Envy X2 will include. Samsung S5 lines is also Wacom based, but the keyboard will come with battery, though no word on price yet, just estimates I think. Can't think of more off the top of my head.
     
  6. e-schreiber

    e-schreiber ƒ(x) / fashion Senior Member

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    Business devices (ThinkPads, Latitudes, EliteBooks, etc) tend to be sturdier because they meet Military specifications. Those devices also tend to have smarter CS representatives (sometimes based inside the US!), Also, those devices have a quicker turn-around. And their parts are available for a long time so replacement and upgrade is easier. I don't know the details about the Slate 8, Latitude 10 and the TPT2, but it's likely they will be more expensive than comparable consumer-grade devices.

    Once the specs and prices of all those devices are officially released, we'll know exactly which ones are "bargains" and which ones are "rip-offs". As it is right now, there are a lot of pieces missing in this puzzle.
     
  7. Steve B

    Steve B Moderator Moderator

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    Yeah, Asus Vivo tab (not rt) is Wacom too. Samsung s5 is Wacom too and the reported price is 650/750 with keyboard for it as well. Even has a silo. Basically, the fact that the TPT2 is Wacom is mostly par for course right now.
     
  8. bloodycape

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    Can't say much about Lenovo's consumer line, but for the business/Thinkpad line their CS is Georgia, and really good. I mean I sent it on a Wednesday to get the power and volume fixed and got it back Friday morning fully repaired. I would by Lenovo again because of such great service like that, but for me the price is a bit over my budget, specially for an Atom based device.
     
  9. Rommie2k6

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    Pricing of these atom prices are ridiculous.

    An atom netbook costs $200-300. An atom tablet should cost no more than $600. $800 is a bloody rip off... I can get a laptop with a high res screen, dedicated graphics, max RAM and HDD for that price. Yes, no inking capability, but an impotent Atom is not worth $800. A Core i tablet would be worth $800. The digitizer and touchscreen does not cost $500.
     
  10. Mitlov

    Mitlov Shiny

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    Let's not remember that the $799 is the base price and the Wacom stylus is optional...so you're actually paying more than $800 for "inking." No inking at the $799 price point. And that blows my effing mind. Seriously considering Windows RT again, as I'm someone who wants some productivity from a tablet (MS Office is a priority for me) but I don't care about styluses.
     
  11. bloodycape

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    799 is with the keyboard if I am not mistaken, and I would think the pen would be standard seeing as there is a silo, or else it be a bit odd for some that there is this empty slot.
     
  12. Bronsky

    Bronsky Wait and Hope. Senior Member

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    My main notebook at work is a Thinkpad X301. I am a big fan of the brand and love the service, which is run by IBM here in the US. But, I have not been overly impressed with Lenovo's tablet efforts. IMO, Dell's Latitude W8 tablet is a superior design to the Lenovo. Removable battery, Wacom pen, replacable battery and folding keyboard. I doubt that it will be any more expensive than the Thinkpad. Plus, Dell enterprise service is decent.
     
  13. bloodycape

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    Not sure how Dell how Dell business for the regular consumer, but my boss has a Dell business notebook that had speakers went out, and Dell sent out representative to repair it on site, two days later. But, I think he called a special line as he a professor at a university.
     
  14. Kazy

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    At any rate, we'll learn more on Thursday at Intel's Clover Trail event.
     
  15. e-schreiber

    e-schreiber ƒ(x) / fashion Senior Member

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    A netbook with Atom N600 starts at about $250, but it ships with Win7 Starter Edition, 0.3MP camera, 1Gb RAM, traditional HDD and some "thickness". We still don't know for how much the future Clover Trail Atoms will sell. Maybe there won't be any netbooks for less than $300 once Clover Trail comes out.

    These new detachables are thinner (which a lot of people demand) and have better configuration than the current crop of $250 netbooks. So a $700 price tag for a consume-grade detachable with Atom CPU, Wacom digitizer and keyboard-dock included isn't terrible. And $800 for its business-grade counterpart seems fine too -- especially if it does include MS Office (seems to be the case with the TPT2). However, if any of those OEMs start milking the consumer with "optional" pens and keyboards, then that will look like a rip-off.

    BTW, if the press begins (justly or not) to complain about price, the OEMs will be forced to issue coupons left-and-right and by the summer those things will sell for peanuts.

    I don't think Lenovo would sell the TPT2 without the Pen. That would be strange.... After putting Wacom technology inside the device, the cost of the Stylus itself is marginal. Someone pointed out that its keyboard-dock doesn't have a touchpad. I'd rather have both the touchpad and the tracking-point, but I'd tolerate the loss of either if I got the silo.

    It will be easier to pick a tablet once complete official info comes out. Maybe Thursday at the Intel event?
     
  16. Rommie2k6

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    RAM is dirt cheap these days, I can grab another 8GB for $30-ish (I just did a few months back)... so big deal!!! The price of a traditional HDD (250-320GB) and a small eMMC SSD (32-64GB) is not that much different these days. Clovertrail performance is basically the same as Atom N2600 series released last year, which is basically the same as the initial Atom CPUs released in circa 2009. If you do any research, you will realize that Atom CPUs have not improved (in terms of performance) over the last 4 years. Choice of OS is irrelevant, I can install whatever version I want. This is Windows, not Android or Apple... we are not held captive to the OS that comes with the hardware. And nobody is going to give a **** about the camera, those are fluff.

    So how did you jump from $250 to $700 and decide it is reasonable? The cost price of an Atom tablet is not that much higher than an Atom netbook. What else is added? An additional digitizer layer, maybe a higher resolution screen... that's it. And I do not need a "bundled" MS office for crying out loud, I have my own version of it.
     
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  17. JoeS

    JoeS I'm all ears Senior Member

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    I agree, but equally strange is that they explicitly state that the stylus is optional: Lenovo ThinkPad Tablet 2 (see lower right of page)

    I'm hoping for some deep Lenovo coupon discounting. Fingers crossed.
     
  18. Kazy

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    Lenovo has a huge chance of sales going on at any given time, as well as semi-permanent offers like the B&N discount, so it's got that going for it.
     
  19. e-schreiber

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    I think you are right about the RAM. That thing is dirty cheap! But like I said, we don't know the prices of upcoming netbooks with Clover Trail Atoms. Netbooks below $300 might go completely extinct in October. And you're not taking into account the fact that the guts of a full-blown netbook computer are being miniaturized to fit inside a super thin slate. And that slate will run a full-blown OS! That shrinking requires expensive cutting-edge tech.

    The use of Wacom also increases the price tag considerably. Once, someone here told me that the N-trig digitizer costs about $200 per machine and its Wacom counterpart costs about $300. I find these numbers very high (are those estimates correct???), but if they are right, that would add a lot to the cost of a Tablet PC.

    It's possible that some "milking" will take place here, as we're going through a tablet fad and OEMs might get greedy, but I find it unlikely as prices of Tablet PCs have always being high. Besides, we saw the Q550, Slate 500 and Slate 2 sell for $800+ upon release! Those were tablets with N-trig and without a keyboard-folio! Perhaps, when compared against netbooks, the price tag of $700 looks fishy.... It's hard to tell without all the facts and specs.

    Yet, one thing is for sure: when compared to a $500 iPad, an $800 detachable Tablet PC with a real OS, Wacom digitizer, keyboard-dock, Military toughness, IO ports and MS Office (which many need), is a tremendous steal! My advice to those with tight budgets is to wait till the coupons start popping up in the Spring and Summer!

    Bastards! Are they really gonna sell Pens as a $50 optional accessory?!?! That's criminal!
     
  20. Sandiegosd

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    Agreed. I'm even secretly suspecting that Lenovo wouldn't even give us all these for $800, possibly by charging the pen for $50 extra or by not including the keyboard
    Anyway a TPT2 with full win8 OS for that $800 is already a Christmas present i'd desperately hope to get this year
     

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