Ice Lake

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  1. kurt corbin

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    Wikichips says there will be 15w U and 9w Y variants. According to Dell's spec sheet for the XPS, the 15w is called the i7-1065 G7:

    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-10th-gen-ice-lake-10nm-cpu-specs,39486.html

    It looks to have about the same performance as the i7-8750H while using 1/3 the power:

    https://laptopmedia.com/comparisons...h-four-cores-matching-the-performance-of-six/

    Best article I've read on ice lake:

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/28/...cessor-laptop-launch-thunderbolt-3-sunny-cove

    Here are the Ice-Lake U computers that were announced at Computex:
    • Acer Swfit 5
    • Dell XPS 13 2-in-1
    • HP Envy 13-inch Wood Series
    • Lenovo Yoga S940
    They're all Athena certified. Only the HP and the Dell are 360. The HP is a budget Synaptics model. The Dell, with Wacom AES, obviously has the best chassis, in spite of the soldered SSD and the 16:10 aspect ratio. Somebody please tell me how I will duplicate that display with my 16:9 TV.

    It looks like Intel will also have some 14nm, 15w Comet Lake U chips, e.g., the i7-10510U:

    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-10th-gen-comet-lake-cpus-specs,39200.html

    I guess maybe those will be a backup in case they screw up the Ice Lake deployment, but so far it looks promising:

    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel...s-new-Picasso-Ryzen-7-3750H-APU.424636.0.html
     
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    "Best chassis" would allow some room for M.2 slots...
     
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    I know:

    "Speaking of disdain for consumers, let's talk about the new XPS 13 7390 2-in-1.

    It started off well, with so many steps forward: A 16:10 display, vapor chamber cooling, and 10nm Ice Lake CPU with optional IRIS graphics and integrated Thunderbolt 3 support. It was looking like my next ultrabook — and then, as PCWorld's Gordon Mah Ung put it, was the "record scratch". Not only are the RAM and Wi-Fi soldered-on (to be expected for a 9th Gen ultrabook these days), but the SSD is as well. In a world where HP is making tablets with a 9/10 repairability score on iFixit, the XPS team decided to ape the very worst aspect of Apple and solder on the SSD. Was it to make the device a little thinner? Probably a little. Was it so that they could charge customers more to up-sell SSD upgrades with higher-end SKUs? You can bet the farm on it.

    Of all the components in a computer, the SSD is probably the most crucial to be able to swap in and out. Need to upgrade? Easy. Want to migrate your data to a new laptop? Piece of cake. Have an unexpected hardware failure and need access to your data? No sweat. That's how it mostly is and it's how it should be. It's a detestably anti-consumer move to commodify the ultrabook pioneered by Apple and now being mimicked by companies who don't understand what makes customers willing to buy the unrepairable hardware nightmares that modern MacBooks have become: the software ecosystem and support. I have not and I never will recommend to anyone a laptop that cannot be opened and repaired for even the most basic of components. Not the Surface Book, not a MacBook, and not the new XPS 13 7390.

    [​IMG]
    The 2019 XPS 13 2-in-1 would have been amazing except for one crucial detail.

    To me, it really looks like Dell are following the very worst plays from Apple's book: prioritizing quiet fans over lower temperatures and performance (XPS 13 9370), ignoring long-standing issues as long as the model is still selling (XPS 15), and now making an expensive laptop completely unrepairable and unupgradable (XPS 13 7390 2-in-1). I know it seems like I'm being overly harsh on Dell and the XPS division here given the amount of other products the American company is putting out, but I know how the industry works and I've seen it too many times to let it go unaccounted for.

    Companies use media reception, YouTube comments, sales numbers, and other community feedback as a gauge for their future product directions. If media doesn't praise it and if people don't buy it, companies won't keep doing it (and I'm thinking of Lenovo's watering-down of the ThinkPad lineup as I write this, as well). So, I'm going to draw the line here. It's as good a place as any.

    Don't buy it, don't encourage it, and, most of all, don't ignore it — or it will be the future."

    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Opinion-What-on-earth-is-going-on-with-Dell-s-XPS-lineup.422865.0.html

    I like it anyway, but I wish Dell would hurry up and put Ice Lake in their XPS 15 2-in-1.
     
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