HP Executive Pen

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  1. 2.0™

    2.0™ Been Inkin' Staff Member

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    I'm thinking of trying a conductive grease/compound on the barrel thread. That's where most of the corrosion exists when it occurs. That sort of grease/compound should prevent corrosion from occurring.

    Just have to find a small size supply of it and make sure it's compatible with aluminum.

    EDIT: Might give this a try - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cb-Radio-NO...560?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1a30ea18

    EDIT2: Yep. This stuff might be the fix we're looking for. See the company write-up: http://www.sanchem.com/electrical-contact-lubricant.html

    Ordered it. Will document my findings and post pics when I get it.
     
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  2. dceggert

    dceggert Owner of a TabletPC Museum Senior Member

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    Yup, I used mechanical cleaning and CRC Dielectric Grease on my Elitepad 900 pen and that revived and extended the life significanltly. In the end it still died so the corrosion is more than just oxydation on THAT PEN design. I have no doubt that the same treatment on the G2 pen will revive the pen for a significant time.

    So far just cleaning has worked well on my pen but it lasted about 2 to 3 months when I first got it before showing symptoms.
     
  3. 2.0™

    2.0™ Been Inkin' Staff Member

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    I thought at first to use a dielectric compound. The only thing about dielectric grease is that it is insulating instead of being conductive. That's why I was on the hunt for an electrically conductive compound to help prevent the corrosion and oxidation that occurs with the type of circuit all the while maintaining a high degree of conductivity.

    This tablet is awesome especially after the touch panel firmware update. But owning to Wacom pen-enabled tablets whose pens just work all the time, it's tough not being able to rely on the Atmel pen at least 90%+ of the time.

    Just have to crack this nut... :D
     
  4. III.Jg27ADLER

    III.Jg27ADLER Scribbler - Standard Member

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    Actually, this self cleaning of a 50 $ pen is completely unacceptable. Am I supposed to buy a new pen every year and during that time I need to keep it alive with batteries and anti corrosion spray!? Come on, that's ridiculous...

    At some point I am really losing faith and hope in the PC industry and better move on with an Apple product and switch back to pen and paper for note taking.
     
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    I hear you my friend. But I'm old school and like a Marine, I've learned to make do.

    But yes, it is mind boggling that they can come to market with something that isn't at least on par with what Wacom has had for years. I've owned 3 Wacom tablets and apart from the edge issues, they just worked all the time. My current Wacom tablets also just work and have markedly improved edge accuracy thanks to new generation of drivers.

    You can take notes on an iPad using a capacitive stylus. But you have to get used to writing like you're using a crayon on craft paper. There are a few pens with narrowish nibs, but they have their issues also. Plus palm rejection is relegated to a hand few pens and apps that support them.

    I guess there's just not enough demand for serious research into the perfect inking solution.
     
  6. III.Jg27ADLER

    III.Jg27ADLER Scribbler - Standard Member

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    For sure, there is no reproval against you or dceggert and I appreciate your sharing of insight knowledge. I really do!

    I am just sick of Dell and HP always sticking in the mud of emerging pen technologies, which are then being dropped again, when they actually work. Why didn't they choose N-Trig?

    No, I am not going for an iPad, either. Just plain and simple MacBook (Air/Pro) and pen and paper, that's it...Using an iPad for sophisticated note-taking is not going to work in my point of view.

    "I guess there's just not enough demand for serious research into the perfect inking solution."

    Yeah, maybe and apparently not enough money for N-Trig technology, either!
     
  7. III.Jg27ADLER

    III.Jg27ADLER Scribbler - Standard Member

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    Don't get me wrong, I will continue using my EP for now. However, as soon as problems will occur in that kind of way, that it will become a pain in the ***, I will sell it and look for something else.

    I assume this will take 1-1.5 years, would be a real damage of my view on HP's products, if it's less than that!
     
  8. 2.0™

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    Improved corrosion resistance for Atmel Executive Pen G2 / R2


    Perhaps the best possible solution to abate the pen corrosion issue is to use a compound that prevents it from occurring all the while maintaining high conductivity. To that end, the electrical contact grease product named NO-OX-ID "A-SPECIAL Electrical Grade" fulfills the aforementioned requirements.

    See the following link for product literature: http://www.sanchem.com/electrical-contact-lubricant.html

    So I bought a small 3" tube off of eBay for $4 shipped.

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    Simple application steps:
    • Unscrew the pen tip from the barrel.
    • Clean the pen tip thread and barrel with rubbing alcohol. Note the carbon residue that is being removed. Keep cleaning using a clean cloth/tissue/paper towel until no more carbon residue appears. [Additionally, you can use very fine grain sand paper to remove stubborn carbon residue. The black looking paper in the pic is 1500 grit sandpaper.]
    • Clean the (+) battery terminal on the back end of the pen tip.
    • Clean the (-) spring loaded battery terminal inside the pen barrel.
    • Apply a liberal amount of NO-OX-ID compound on the pen tip's threads.
    • Apply a dab of NO-OX-ID compound on the pen's battery terminals
    • Remove the pen tip and clean it in similar manner then apply a liberal amount of NO-OX-ID compound to the copper part of the tip.
    • Reassemble the pen wiping any excess compound that may have been squeezed out at the seams using rubbing alcohol.

    You should note not only improved pen response, but somewhat improved sensitivity. The first time you use the pen, you should hold it steady on the screen for 10 secs so it auto-calibrates.

    The good news is, you won't have to reapply the NO-OX-ID compound on the pen for quite a while as it is very durable. Check it between battery replacements and if it appears very dark to black, then clean it off and reapply new compound. Perhaps a dab of compound on the battery's ends each time you change batteries would ensure optimal performance.
     
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  9. HuckleBoo

    HuckleBoo Pen Pal - Newbie

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    I'm wondering if they will ship the same version of the pen for the new Envy x2 tablets or if they are planning to offer a new version - which Envy x2 owners needs an Executive pen?
     
  10. BobG2PenUser

    BobG2PenUser Pen Pal - Newbie

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    [​IMG]

    dceggert posted this photo, and I read some of the thread about contact cleaning, did not try and went on with life. At Microsoft store clerk end of 2017 demo'd Microsoft's latest with pen and saw pen did not respond perfectly. I thought related to OS.

    My G2 pens had been completely erratic, but I could futz around and get them to work reliably for a note-taking session. Usually by playing with nib and swapping out good battery for another good battery and / or hardware resetting tablet. Using the pen in a factories with heavy machinery / motors seemed like it would cause reliable functioning to cease.

    Was at eyeglasses store other day, and had to patiently wait. Pen was not working. Remembered this article and photo. Noted spring at #5 seemed extra recessed / smashed in a little from me futzing with.

    I took my swiss army knife out, slid it under the spring and bent significantly outward. THIS HAS IN MY OPINION COMPLETELY FIXED MAJOR PROBLEMS THUS FAR EXPERIENCED, A BANE OF MY EXISTENCE WITH THIS OTHERWISE WONDERFUL ELITEPAD 1000. I suffered with these issues for 3+ years?!

    New pens from HP did not fix, driver upgrades did not fix, upgrade from Windows 8 to 8.1 to 10 did not fix.

    I can now just pick up the pen and start using it without futzing with it, and it just works, after this simple bending of the spring. This is a spring selection design / manufacturing defect in my opinion.

    So I conclude a spring tension / manufacturing issue has been giving this pen and tablet combination a bad name to 100's / 1000's of users?

    Update 2/6/2018: Right after posting, I experienced the same issue. I bent the spring out even more. It worked again. Days later, picked up pen to use this a.m., and it simply just works without having to mess with it - this new characteristic of simply reliably working from the moment I pick it up was never my experience in the past. It will miss keystrokes if tapping fast, but carefully watching touch keyboard in Windows 10 allows me to not be hampered by thi PPs issue. Handwriting entry is also smooth and reliable. I think that piece of metal doesn't keep its shape well and positive contact is lost. Changing batteries in the past from one new one to another or playing with the nib would probably get some connection going again just enough to work for a short while. Batteries may vary in length a tiny amount. pulling out nub and pressing it back it might squeeze the battery back into contact. HP sent me another pen once simply because the nub wasn't supposed to be removable. Typing on this submission form again, I saw a lot of errors were introduced - was using pen at time, and am now editing to look better. Mostly I work with MS Word on this tablet, and it seems rock solid with pen. Was using handwriting panel and this form with pen yesterday, and was getting weird results (errors), but can't blame pen.

    I may try to wedge a small hard object, rubber ball under metal that I bent outward to try to help it hold its shape.

    Update 2/18/2018: A little piece of cardboard from the battery package is doing the trick. when screwing the barrel together, I now feel a slight amount of pressure on the battery as it bottoms out on the last couple of threads. After taking the photo, I did remove one layer of cardboard, but am not sure it was necessary (due to side button intermittently not feeling good clicking - though working - that's possibly unrelated). paper keeps positive pressure and is working great. Posting via windows 10 tablet with pen in photo, remote logged in to Windows 7 PC using on screen keyboard. Taking long time due to having to scale photo and tap, tap, tap. Thread very old, but passionate about issue and am loving ability to reliably use. I put Velcro on pen and stick it to my retail jacket w barcode scanner, card swiper, and aux. battery. elastic on handle wears out. Velcro and cardboard keeps this great HP system going strong.
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