HP ENVY x360 15 (2017): 15.6" UHD, N-Trig, Intel or AMD - Discussion Thread

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  1. dragontamer

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    Hothardware is out first with a review of the Envy x360, although its more about a review of the Ryzen 5 2500U (focusing on the CPU and GPU benchmarks specifically)

    I'm curious how their VLC setup was done. I personally don't like video loop tests because so much of it depends on hardware drivers and software configuration... so its an easy thing to get wrong. I think other websites which use a "web browser test" is way better and more accurate indicator of battery life for most people.
     
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    Thoughts on RAM, HD, and SSD being upgradeable on HP store version like the Best Buy variant. I’m a little nervous now.
     
  3. dragontamer

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    New review. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Our-f...Intel-has-every-reason-to-worry.266618.0.html

    The power tests in this one show significantly better power-usage than the previous review. I wonder what the difference in testing methodology is...

    In any case, the raw benchmarks of the Ryzen 5 2500U are quite impressive. It matches the Intel i5-8550U in speed and efficiency, but absolutely crushes it in light-weight video game tasks... and is cheaper to boot.

    I want to know why the first review got such bad battery life figures however. Its likely that the video drivers of the AMD chip aren't as mature and maybe are worse when running in VLC. I guess more reviews will make the picture more clear. VLC Video playback might just be a weak point in the current software stack (maybe other programs would work better on this laptop??)
     
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    And another review, from one of my favorite websites: https://techreport.com/review/32877/amd-ryzen-5-2500u-apu-reviewed

    This is a review of the Ryzen 5 2500U more specifically. But there's a number of side comments about the HP x360 system that people might find relevant. Techreport says they see clear signs of dithering in the screen (and also confirm the low brightness in the screen that other reviewers are talking about). I agree that a hard-drive in a system like this is an utter travesty, but its pretty easy to swap out the hard drive for an SSD on the HP Page.

    It seems like TechReport really likes the sound system, since they went out of their way to complement the sound performance. The weakest part of the x360 in all of these reviews is constantly the screen: low quality and low brightness.

    The Ryzen 5 2500U is the best iGPU for gaming, although the NVidia MX150 is still way ahead of it and is also offered on $700ish laptops. If anyone does care about gaming a lot, the MX150 needs to be on your radar.

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    According to this TechReport review, "Rocket League" at 720p / 60fps works reasonably well with this Laptop. More graphically intense games (like Doom or the Witcher3) run at a much slower 720p / 30fps. Which is a poor experience but playable.

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    In contrast, the Intel 620 is clearly unplayable on these higher-end games. Even at 720p with settings turned low.

    Honestly, I'm curious if my games would run well on it: Cuphead, Touhou, Mickey Mouse and the Castle of Illusions. Considering the graphical fidelity of Witcher3, I think the games I play should have no trouble.

    This isn't a gaming beast by any stretch of the imagination, but it gets within 20% of the MX150, so its definitely worth a consideration if anyone does actually want to game but not spend thousands extra on a "real" card (like a GTX 1050)
     
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  5. dragontamer

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    Do NOT buy from HP's online store.

    My laptop arrived yesterday, and its completely broken. It simply doesn't boot at all. The power button does absolutely nothing.

    HP won't exchange my laptop either, because I customized it to the SSD option. Apparently, HP online-store policy is that customized laptops need to go through a refund / new purchase. The price of the laptop has changed since the Thanksgiving sales week, so now they expect me to pay the non-sales price to fix this issue.

    After spending around 30 minutes waiting on the phone, the service rep's best offer was to take $80 off the new, much higher price, for the hassle. That's no where close to the original price that I bought the laptop at.

    This is ridiculous and anti-consumer. Beware the customer service of HP's online store. I understand that mistakes happen (like shipping a broken computer), but I expect that customer service should do what they can to make it right. I'm taking the full refund but this whole episode has left an awful taste in my mouth with regards to HP Online customer support.
     
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    Well thats unfortunate good thing i didnt buy there ... Im from Trinidad & Tobago i have the best buy model with i7, 16GB ram and 1TB hard drive as HP.com USA cannot process international credit cards.
    They declined my order and charged my card twice even though the transaction failed ... had to call them to get the funds released.

    I mean the HP agent that helped me with the order should have asked or known that any where outside the USA would be an international Credit Card which they cannot accept smh.

    Other than that the intel Version i have seems good so far i may do a review at some time.

    I think the intel model has a different screen mine shows up as LGD056E where as the AMD version has a BOE screen which seems poorer in notebookcheck.net's review.

    Has any one tried charging the laptop with a USB C charger or the use of the surface pen with it?
     
  7. dellaster

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    Are there any updated opinions on the Ryzen 5 version, from owners especially? I'm wondering if updated drivers and firmware have improved things at all. I'm really tempted by this if I can catch it on a sale. It hits The Sweet Spot in performance and power consumption for my needs. And I require a 2-in-1 for my preferred desktop replacement setup.
     
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    Well, after my research over the weekend I conclude there's no improvement in the buggy mess of bad drivers, etc., for the Ryzen 5 devices. Moreover, the YouTube gameplays and benchmarks of devices with the new Ryzen 7 chips appear to be even worse, often even slower than the ryzen 5! Way slower and less stable than the mx150. Dang it, AMD, you're going to blow your chance if you don't get on this problem immediately!

    Anyway, I was hoping that things have changed since @MobileTechReview Lisa's YouTube video recommending to give the mobile Ryzen chipset a pass, for now. Guess not. :(



    I got a new first-gen Surface Book instead. An i5 8GB RAM 256GB SSD plus GeForce for only $875.
     
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  9. lampuiho

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    They are from 2 different devices with different TDPs. One runs at max 50W system power consumption while the other runs at max 35W system power consumption. It shows that Ryzen 7 is way more efficient than 5, using less power while performing the same in the video (better binned chip obviously).
     
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    I stand corrected. I wish the video had made that clear.
     
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