HP ENVY X2 up on HP.com

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  1. gcoupe

    gcoupe Scribbler - Standard Member

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    Oh, drat. Is Atmel really so bad? We need more data points, please. I'm currently vacillating between the Envy X2, the Dell Latitude 10 and the Lenovo Thinkpad 2. I need more data...
     
  2. dceggert

    dceggert Moving 'up' from iPAQ Senior Member

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    I would wait a bit for the Youtube vids and such. It is not that I don't trust this users opinion, but there was hopefully something wrong with the drivers or something. It would be really hard to believe that HP would put all their new TabletPC eggs into one Atmel basket if the handle on that basket was not ready to carry the load. Time will tell.

    Also there is an Atmel digitizer on an Asus or Acer from 2012 (forgot which one) that will work with an Atmel pen. The 'news' is on the Atmel website where they discuss their pen technology.

    So, we sit and wait for there things to actually get sold and the videos to start. Then we shall see!
     
  3. uzbeckin

    uzbeckin Pen Pal - Newbie

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    Ok... So I bought an Envy X2. I have a Wacom Stylus - no go. I also happen to have an N-trig stylus - no go on that one as well. I just ordered an Atmel stylus - should be here in a couple of days. I will let you guys know what I think. Overall I would like to comment a couple of things about the laptop if you're considering it. Everyone has their own opinion of windows 8 but with owning several windows tablets, Android, and iPads - I feel it is really a good idea but for now is only half baked. The touchpad "edges" to access features is annoying. If you don't perfectly place your hand you are constantly getting additional swipes, opening or switching apps. You also have lackluster two finger performance scrolling. The texturing on the touchpad is odd as well - mini ridges. (would be great to remove oil from your fingers) The overall build and feel is great but the battery on the base is has a nice "lifting" feature to elevate the keyboard when on a table. One thing they didn't think about is the edge of the battery are a bit sharp and it isn't exactly comfortable on your lap. It is a "don't put on your lap laptop". You can of course try to place your legs just perfectly to avoid the battery edges hitting your legs but it is a bit wider gap than I like. In addition the screen is quite weighty (not heavy per se) but the balance of weight is angled away from the keyboard in such a way that the table is easy to cause it to roll back on the tablet. If it is in your lap and you are avoiding the battery edges - the laptop wants to roll away from you. Disconnecting without creating a palm print on the top is tough and takes skill. The keyboard is ok but I find myself making more mistakes than normal. Maybe it is just the angle so leave that one as an opinion and not as a function of the keyboard.

    Here are my other minor observations - no place to put the pen blows. I carry around a mont blanc on my Hawaiian shirt - now I need to carry another pen around. I don't really want to have a multitude of pens down my shirt. The micro sd and full sd slots are awesome - they give you a lot more options for adding storage and 64GB is a decent amount of storage but for $800+ dollars you would expect a little more!

    The beats audio has great 3d feel but sound like very hollow audio - tin can bass. My iPad mini is much louder and fuller sounding. I really wanted this to be the old tc1100 reunion with the hardware and technology that wasn't possible at the time but I'm more waiting for the pen out of nostalgia just to give it that one last chance to wow me. I'll post my opinion for what it is worth when it comes. I really wanted this laptop to be awesome - great looks - some good design work.... I'll also let you know if it grows on me.
     
  4. e-schreiber

    e-schreiber ƒ(x) / fashion Senior Member

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    I think the closest thing to the TC-1100 so far is the upcoming Lenovo Helix.
     
  5. hawkeye62

    hawkeye62 Scribbler - Standard Member

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    Thanks for the review. I have two questions. First, I don't understand about the "sharp edges on the battery". Are there protrusions on the bottom of the keyboard where the keyboard battery is located?

    Second, does the connection between tablet and keyboard have male/female pins, or is it just a contact between two flat surfaces?

    Thanks, Jim
     
  6. uzbeckin

    uzbeckin Pen Pal - Newbie

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    [Thanks for the review. I have two questions. First, I don't understand about the "sharp edges on the battery". Are there protrusions on the bottom of the keyboard where the keyboard battery is located?

    Jim,
    First of all - the battery has a slanted edge with a defined ridge.

    Second, does the connection between tablet and keyboard have male/female pins, or is it just a contact between two flat surfaces?

    There is a male (keyboard) to female (slate) interface and there are two protruding solid metal tabs that stick out of the keyboard and go into the slate that hold it stable and relieve pressure from the interface. This is why the reviews say the base feels solidly attached. I have pictures I did for you of both questions but for some reason it is taking forever to upload this morning.
     
  7. uzbeckin

    uzbeckin Pen Pal - Newbie

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    Jim,
    Here is the battery design.

    photo.JPG photo-1.JPG

    Second, does the connection between tablet and keyboard have male/female pins, or is it just a contact between two flat surfaces?

    Hopefully this shows up on the posting.

    photo-2.jpg
     
  8. hawkeye62

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    uzbeckin. Thanks for the photos. I think I understand how the interface is configured. I still don't understand the battery ridges. Maybe a photo of the bottom of the keyboard would be helpful?

    Thanks, Jim
     
  9. uzbeckin

    uzbeckin Pen Pal - Newbie

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    Jim,

    Look at the photos in my last post. The battery has slanted sides and in the photo I showed a closeup of the battery which is facing back when closed and then when you open the laptop it rotates down to elevate the keyboard. The second photo shows the bottom of the laptop and the battery facing down. The two sides of the battery have sharp enough ridges that they are uncomfortable on your legs. Minor problem. The laptop looks beautiful and to be quite honest there are more things I dislike about windows 8 than about the laptop design. Did no one use this before they released it? This has to be the most complicated user interface ever - I only keep using it because it is so complicated it is oddly interesting and amazingly frustrating at the same time.
     
  10. hawkeye62

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    So, in the photo that shows a brown surface with four grey "tabs" and the silver surface, the brown surface is the keyboard and the silver surface is the slate. And the silver extension is the battery ridge?

    Thanks again, Jim
     
  11. Wye

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    The Dell Latitude 10 is at least a Wacom solution, not sure about the Lenovo.

    As for the other poster's opinion on whether HP would ship a bad experience, I guess you haven't owned many HP machines. The HP Slate500 would overheat sitting idle on the table and go to thermal shutdown. They've been laying off every bit of engineering talent for years and replacing it with cheap new college hires, between that and the pressure to reduce the costs the quality has been going down with every release.

    I still have an HP machine and I'd consider another, but as a pen user since the first tablet pc I have no doubt about my advice on the Atmel pen experience. You're better off avoiding it for at least another year.
     
  12. III.Jg27ADLER

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    Yes, that's what I said in this forum right from the beginning when the first demo video of Atmel was released. It looked like crap! Thanks for the insight!
     
  13. hawkeye62

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    The Envy X2 is now available on the HP site for $749, a $100 discount, with delivery on Jan 28. Still no stylus.

    Regards, Jim
     
  14. uzbeckin

    uzbeckin Pen Pal - Newbie

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    I have tried the WACOM and the NTRIG and just got my atmel pen. Can't wait to get home to try it. I really like the look of this device but the pen is make or break it for me. I will post with the results.
     
  15. uzbeckin

    uzbeckin Pen Pal - Newbie

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    Ok... false alarm. My pen didn't come - it was my 64 gig micro sd which worked like a charm in the laptop. In any case -i'll keep you posted when the atmel pen arrives how well it fares.
     
  16. uzbeckin

    uzbeckin Pen Pal - Newbie

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    Ok... So I would love to post a review of the tablet with a pen but I'm at a loss. I've tried several Wacom pens, an N-trig pen, and now I just tried an Atmel pen. NOTHING WORKS for this tablet. Yes it just dropped $100 but come on... is this some proprietary pen? It sure looks atmel to me but I just used a pen from a motorola Xyboard (atmel) and NO GO. I'm starting to wonder if there are multiple models - some that support pens and some that don't. Maybe they have their marketing a bit skewed because when you go for support there are at least three model versions. When I called HP it was hard enough to explain to the guy that it didn't have a problem - but I was trying to find which pen worked with it. I was getting really frustrated when he put me on hold then hung up. With the recent price drop I thought this is a really nice looking pc. After some extensive use of windows 8 on this machine it is very capable but I still have three main problems.

    1) the tablet is heavier than the base - making it back heavy balancing the tablet portion
    2) the battery folding down with the screen is just plain lame. I'm sure it enhances the typing experience but it kills your legs
    3) mystery pen

    UPDATE: one battery replacement later and although the pen seems to work - still no help on a review. The pen for the Xyboard is relatively basic and may not be a good example. If the real pen works like this - maybe you should keep looking.

    This pen is no better than using my finger. For some reason I can click and drag but I don't think this pen has a clicker so it may not work as expected. I sure can't write with it yet and the "Pen and touch input" still only shows touch.

    Although we've solved the problem of what digitizer is there - I unfortunately have only raised more questions of this product as it seems like the pen is simply lame. (although in HP's defense this isn't the official Atmel pen for this device so it could be super awesome)
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2013
  17. KiwiPete

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    Uzbeckin, just want to thank you for doing this investigation. It helps to validate the decision of many of us to keep our $$ in the bank for a few more weeks until the official pen is released.

    For me, the Envy is looking like the right choice since the Asus is out of stock (and US$250 more expensive) and the Ativ just seems like an inferior device (and is $100 more expensive). However I'm not going to shell out what is still a large amount of money until HP prove the quality of their digitizer.

    Thanks again.
     
  18. dceggert

    dceggert Moving 'up' from iPAQ Senior Member

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    A quick update to the forum - the HP Envy X2 is now showing an optional 128 GB SSD available now for order at the HP Store for an extra $100. So, $750 for the 64 GB version and $850 for the 128 GB.
     
  19. MSGaldenzi

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    Is there a difference between the

    11t-g000 and the 11-g011nr ?

    Someone was trying to tell me that the g000 was a stripped down model that had no battery in the keyboard and no camera on the back?
     
  20. Amplificator

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    In Denmark we have 2 models as well, and it took quite a bit of time to actually find something on these. I even asked on the official HP forum and got no response.
    I then got in contact with a store that called up HP (HP doesn't even have support for private sales inb my country) and they said that the difference was that one of the models came with NFC and the other model came without it.
    Even the HP store didn't actually list any differences between the 2 models; both were stated as coming with NFC support.

    In Denmark we have 2 models; the g000eo comes with NFC and the g001eo comes without NFC.

    And the model with NFC is actually a tiny bit cheaper than the one without NFC :)

    Now, I obviously can't be sure that it is the same in your country, but at least this is some info to get you started if you want to research it a bit more.
     

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