HP Envy X2 owners' discussion

Discussion in 'Hewlett Packard' started by Loccy, Dec 24, 2012.

  1. Loccy

    Loccy Pen Pal - Newbie

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    Well, talking of Samsung BIOS updates, the reason I'm merrily writing this from HPland is because the Samsung 700T I originally had bricked following a BIOS update!

    One thing I will say though - for my money the trackpad on the Envy is tons better than the Samsung (I am referring to the 700 not the 500, but can't see how they'd differ much). Coming from a MacBook Air with the glorious trackpad and gestures that has, I haven't felt too lost. The killer gesture for me is a decent two finger scroll action which is better on the Envy than the Sammy (IMHO). I will also trade a second battery for a couple of mm of keyboard travel.

    The issue with losing the trackpad is solved by a quick dock/undock. Most of these devices seem to have niggles. The Acer W510 trackpad is getting savaged on their boards (one touch only, awful accuracy - this is what finally put me off waiting for it), the higher end Acer has a bizarre form factor, there are the BIOS bricks on the Samsung 700T at least (I'm not the only one, apparently) and the occasional trackpad death on the Envy. I also lost rotation earlier on, fixed by a reboot. Price of early adoption I suppose. I suspect the Asus would really have been my perfect device, but am not holding my breath on UK availability any time soon.

    All that said, after almost a fortnight with the Envy I'm really happy with it - much more so than I was with the 700T even before it bricked. In fairness the 700T was the wrong device for me. The appeal of i5 performance outweighed practical considerations like weight as a tablet and battery life. It was a blessing in disguise that it bricked and I could get a full refund.

    The Envy has now replaced every mobile device and use case I have other than my phone. Kick back and waste time mode (aka Metro) works nicely - device is nice and light and eminently holdable for casual browsing and video, even reading news on the bundled Metro app (which is very nice - although a Win8 thing rather than an HP thing). Clip on the keyboard and I can get coding in short order. I've had some protracted (three hour-ish) coding and doc writing sessions since having it and found it perfectly acceptable. It's exactly what I wanted out of a hybrid device - actually what I hoped for with the Transformer Prime but the community never did get Ubuntu into a usable state on it.

    Happy player here - until at least an Intel Surface comes out with 7 hours or more battery life.
     
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  2. tgwallbank

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    I was playing around with an Envy x2 in PC World Newcastle today and I found I could draw in MS Paint with my finger, just doodling thin lines and thick lines. Does this mean that Envy inking would work if you could find a compatible pen?
     
  3. Dev_00

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    Can anyone comment on the accuracy of the stylus? I've read around these forums that it's not wacom or ntrig so I'm a bit concerned about it performing like a capacitive stylus would on a regular tablet. Although I wouldn't be doing art on it, being able to write on the screen more accurately than with a capacitive stylus would be nice.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  4. Loccy

    Loccy Pen Pal - Newbie

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    There is no stylus bundled with the device. There is apparently support for a mystery stylus which HP have yet to release or to give details of. *shrug*
     
  5. dceggert

    dceggert Moving 'up' from iPAQ Senior Member

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    The mystery stylus can be found in the business store under accessories for the Elitepad 900; the Atmel HP 'executive pen.' Tbd on availability, however.

    It is unknown if any of the other Atmel pens will work with the Envy X2. Once we have more out in the wild the search will be on for a compatible alternative.
     
  6. Dev_00

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    Has anyone used that type of stylus before that would be able to comment on how it is to use in comparison to wacom?
     
  7. simpleatsh

    simpleatsh Pen Pal - Newbie

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    Has anybody tried the Atmel Active Stylus for Motorola Xyboard? the Xyboard also uses Atmel MaxStylus controller, therefore the stylus should be compatible with HP Envy X2, you can find it on Amazon for about 30USD.

    Hheheee...anybody wanna take one for the team?
     
  8. Loccy

    Loccy Pen Pal - Newbie

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    Do we know for definite that this "executive pen" will work on the X2 - or is it Elitepad only?
     
  9. Steve S

    Steve S Scribbler - Standard Member Super Moderator

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    <<...Do we know for definite that this "executive pen" will work on the X2 - or is it Elitepad only?..>>

    ...I don't know much about Atmel's technology, but here's an historical observation: All Wacom tabletPC pens, "penabled" and UP prefix, are interchangeable. All N-trig tabletPC pens, of the same generation, are interchangeable. When they were more widely used, I believe that all FinePoint pens were interchangeable...

    So, I would be surprised if it turned out that Atmel's tablet pens were brand-specific....
     
  10. Loccy

    Loccy Pen Pal - Newbie

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    I meant more, are we certain that the Envy is Atmel? It wouldn't surprise me if the Elitepad was Atmel, but HP "pen" for the Envy was a crappy capacitive thing akin to the 5 quid junk things you get off eBay, and the Envy had no "real" stylus support.

    Those more up on stylii than I - is there any obvious place I could look in Device Manager to determine touchscreen stylus support?
     
  11. crabnebula

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    If you go into Computer Properties, it says if the PC has touch and/or pen input in the System section.
     
  12. hawkeye62

    hawkeye62 Scribbler - Standard Member

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    The Envy X2 looks promising, but I am concerned about two things. First, while the promotions say a stylus is an option, there doesn't seem to be any way to order one. Second, I am concerned about the "magnetic" connection of the tablet to the keyboard. Does the electrical connection have male/female pins or is it just contact between two surfaces?

    Thanks for any info, Jim
     
  13. Loccy

    Loccy Pen Pal - Newbie

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    Keyboard docking is beautiful. Two magnetic slabs that guide connection to a bespoke connector. As someone who's had a Transformer Prime and the more recent Samsung 700T, the HP is by far the best docking arrangement.
     
  14. hawkeye62

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    Thanks for your reply. Sorry, I am not familiar with "bespoke" Does that mean a male/female connection?

    Thanks, Jim
     
  15. gcoupe

    gcoupe Scribbler - Standard Member

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    "Bespoke" is a term that originally applied to clothing - it means "made to measure". So a bespoke suit is one that is made specifically for the wearer, rather than that person buying a mass-produced suit "off the peg". See Bespoke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    In this case, Loccy is saying that the docking connector is one that has been designed and built by HP specifically for the Envy X2, rather than HP using a standard connector that may be found elsewhere.
     
  16. hawkeye62

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    Thanks for the definition. My question remains, is the connection male/female pins or just surface to surface?

    Thanks, Jim
     
  17. Loccy

    Loccy Pen Pal - Newbie

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    There are two holes in the tablet and, in the middle, a bespoke (female) connector. On the keyboard, there are two slabs and the (male) connection. The slabs are magnetic so guide the connection when you're making it. When docked it locks and you can't undock it without unlocking it. Having had several dockable devices this really is a well engineered mechanism.
     
  18. hawkeye62

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    Sounds good. Thanks for the explanation.

    Regards, Jim
     
  19. tgwallbank

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    This, from a HP Blogger at CES:


    "two things:

    First, I had a chance to chat up a couple people during CES and got the full picture on what is happening with the active digitizer. That's right, I can officially tell you that it is an ACTIVE DIGITIZER pen that will be available for the ENVY x2. It should be available soon (ish) -- that's the news on that front.



    Second, to your question about NFC. it's built into Windows 8...so it's up to app writers / hardware makers to put 2 + 2 together. As for one example, I happen to have an NFC mouse. I tapped the screen to pair it and - boom - it just works."
     
  20. gcoupe

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    " It should be available soon (ish)"

    That statement (presumably from an HP person) hardly fills me with confidence...
     

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