HP Elitepad 900

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  1. excalibur1814

    excalibur1814 Scribbler - Standard Member Senior Member

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    :( It really is a shame to see such a company in the position that they're in. Sure, as we all know, their own tablet venture failed literally moments after it started but I was hoping that HP would release some really, really, REALLY nice tablets.

    They have quite a nice Elitebook/Probook range, solid chassis, really easy to upgrade, some of the best battery options and peripherals yet they're let down by average screens. Where is the new Elitebook 2770p? Where is the Workstation type options with regards to tablets? Come on HP... release the two tablets you have now and get right back to the drawing board!

    - Be the first to release a core i5/i7 laptop with a really fantastic keyboard along with a dedicated gpu for gaming
    - Be the first to release a workstation class device that has cad guys around the world screaming
    - Be the first to release an Atom tablet with crazy battery options and high res screen (Close with the 900 but let down a little)
    - Be the first! Remember the HP TC1000

    Do you have anything to lose? Do it now, get your name onto every tech site out there, control the tech and add juicy specs (Like Samsung) and above all, inspire the younger generation as they'll point their fingers first!

    Oh well if it were only that easy.
     
  2. e-schreiber

    e-schreiber ƒ(x) / fashion Senior Member

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    I remember the girl on the Engadget video saying that the Pen she had wasn't real, or something to that effect. However, would HP build a mock-up Stylus, then make marketing material, show said Stylus to the press, but ultimately manufacture something that looks different?!?! I think what she meant is that the Pen wasn't fully functional because its engineering wasn't finished.

    Maybe Rick can shed some light here. Does the ElitePad's Pen look like the one depicted on the picture above? Will it be N-trig 3.5, N-trig 4.0 or Wacom?




    From the article:

    I think it would be quite helpful to HP if the members of its Board of Directors -- especially the CEO -- committed to and praised the company's own products in interviews, instead of buying the "competitors" goods and exalting their qualities to the press like they've been doing for a while. They could limit their "Apple lauding" to the privacy of their homes. Nothing wrong with it.

    We don't see Dell or Lenovo praising the competition half-as-often...
     
  3. Rick

    Rick Sr. Program Manager

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    The pen will look like the picture below and is an Atmel solution.

    Rick

    hp-elitepad900-accessories.jpg
     
  4. Bronsky

    Bronsky Wait and Hope. Senior Member

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    That is some interesting news. Hopefully, they work far better than the N-Trig units and Atmel is more responsive to its existing customers with software and driver updates.
     
  5. Steve B

    Steve B Moderator Moderator

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    Does anyone know what Atmel is? I've never heard of it before. I was looking it up.... is it a derivative of Wacom in some way?
     
  6. whazzup

    whazzup Scribbler - Standard Member

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    Now that IS interesting....figured out that my Galaxy Note had an Atmel touch panel, but never really saw an device with the MaxStylus....until now.

    Hi Rick,
    while I know, as usual, artists are not the target audience, but is it at ALL possible, to test art software on the device before it hits the market?

    And let's hope that Wintab support is not crappy.....
     
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  7. dceggert

    dceggert Moving 'up' from iPAQ Senior Member

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    This is actually a smart looking system. Since it is also 10.1" with 16:10 aspect ratio it would replace my Q550 nicely. I will wait to see the Atmel in action however.

    One thing that now bugs me is that the Win 8 RTM OS 'breaks' Franklin-Covey's PlanPlus for Outlook (not a device specific issue). That is a deal breaker for me. The software loaded and worked for the CP and RP levels but RTM will not allow it to work. Since that is my daily productivity and tracking tool I cannot use Win 8 now until something gets fixed or I overhaul my entire way of doing business.

    Maybe HP can offer Win 7 downgrade with it for businesses???? Pppppllllleeeeeaaaaaasssseeeee....(in my best Roger Rabbit voice)...
     
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  8. excalibur1814

    excalibur1814 Scribbler - Standard Member Senior Member

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    You could always run a virtual machine but that could be a bit of a pain for you
     
  9. Rick

    Rick Sr. Program Manager

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    Please make some recommendations on "art software" or specific features and I will check with the validation team.

    Rick
     
  10. e-schreiber

    e-schreiber ƒ(x) / fashion Senior Member

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    The ElitePad isn't for me. And here are the main reasons:

    • Pen silo: the lack of a Pen silo on the slate itself would disrupt my workflow. Putting a silo on the keyboard-dock isn't enough for me. There would be many times I would be using just the slate and I would still need to put the Stylus away. Leaving it on the couch would eventually lead to either the loss of the Stylus itself or worse....my manhood (if I sat on it... Ouch!). :D

    • Pointing stick: The absence of a pointing stick on the keyboard-dock is also problem. I could easily survive without a touchpad (the Lenovo TPT2 doesn't have one either), but I can't get by without both the touchpad and the pointing stick. Just not my style of working on laptop mode.

    HP did a couple of controversial things:

    • Resolution: For a device aimed at businesses (and let's be frank, most businesses just don't care for Win8, let alone Metro apps), the ElitePad's resolution is fine. I can completely understand, however, the disappointment of Metro fans over this issue as they would truly benefit from the "snap" feature.

    • Atmel digitizer: Let's wait and see. Might be better than N-trig 3.5 or 4.0....

    HP added many features that are sure to make most people happy:

    • Aspect ratio: 16:10 is the second best AR as it gives the user some widescreen capability without rendering "portrait mode" operation completely useless. Unfortunately to Metro fans, that came at the expense of the "snap" feature. In a perfect world, the ElitePad would not only use a 16:10 screen, but also meet MS requirements for full Metro compatibility. But as I conjectured above, Metro adoption in business environments will likely be low and HP probably chose to favour battery-life and pricing, instead.

    • Thinness: The device is paper-thin, which will please the trendy people out there. Personally, I'd rather have a tablet that is 2mm thicker (that's approximately the thickness of 2 coins) if that gave me the benefit of having every full-size port I could possibly get -- including VGA!

    • Dock, jacket, keyboard-dock, connectors: The device's modularity adds great flexibility to people's workflow. Slide the slate into (or onto) the right accessory and you'll get all ports you'll ever need! And the myriad of connectors that appear on the picture Rick posted this morning will allow the tablet to interface with all types of devices at home, work and on-transit. No one can complain about connectivity with this tablet!

    • Servicibility: They also mentioned on one of the videos that the device was designed to be easily disassembled, which should make tinkerers quite happy. Upgrading RAM, however, will probably be a pointless enterprise as the Clover Trail specs limit memory to 2Gb.

    • Pricing: The device also happens to be one of the cheapest slates so far, going for $700 -- if the price is confirmed. The cheapest one, if my memory serves, is the Samsung Ativ, which will sell for for $650 without the keyboard-dock. Not business-grade, but to be fair, the Ativ will probably ship with a super-duper Wacom Pen!


    There are 2 business features I think HP missed:

    • Replaceable battery: This is probably not a big deal, since the jacket does support an extra battery.

    • Matte screen: This feature will be missed immensely by everyone that will use the device outdoors. HP should consider a matte screen option. Even if it costs extra! I can see people spending an extra $100 bucks to gain the capability of reading their documents, filling out their forms and checking out their notes outside!


    Life is made of compromises, and I won't compromise on the Pen silo and pointing stick. However, compared to the Slate 2 (which was supposed to be an "upgrade" from the faster Slate 500), the ElitePad seems remarkably superior! This is what an upgrade looks like!
     
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  11. whazzup

    whazzup Scribbler - Standard Member

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    SOFTWARE TO TEST:

    1. FireAlpaca (FireAlpaca.com - Free image editor)
    Ok, this should be the first software you try, because it's free, the stylus pressure support is unparalleled in the 'free' software category, and because if everything works well with this software, it's a safe bet to say that japanese art software (Illuststudio, SAI, Opencanvas, Manga Studio) will pretty much work.

    2. Photoshop (Adobe)
    Not much to say here. Granddaddy of art software.

    3. Sketchbook Pro (SketchBook Pro - Drawing App - Autodesk)
    A standard for sketching software from Autodesk.

    4. Corel Painter (Digital Art Software - Corel Painter 12)
    A standard for painting

    5. Zbrush (:: Pixologic ::)
    3D sculpting software.

    There're tons more software out there, but the above should be a good subset.
     
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  12. whazzup

    whazzup Scribbler - Standard Member

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    WHAT TO TEST:
    This was a simple test I devised to test some non Wacom tablet displays I had earlier, but I'm sure your testing team has much more experience and advanced tools than what I have:


    1. Ruler Tracing Test
    Use the ruler to draw uniform lines diagonally across the screen.

    2. Cursor Hover Test (Very Important)
    With the pen tip hovering over the screen, try to move the cursor pixel by pixel, around one of the small squares. Next try to paint the square black, without spilling over into other squares.

    3. Slow Tracing Test (Very Important)
    By tracing over the guidelines slowly, we can see how much jitter the digitizer has. Note that because of the smooth glass surface, the tracing is bound to look inaccurate. But this is an important test because when you see people testing tablets, they just scribble something over the screen, see the pressure sensitive strokes, and end it at that. Not very useful.

    4. Fast Tracing Test
    By tracing the guidelines quickly, we can see whether there is abnormal jittering.

    5. Pressure Test
    With pressure sensitivity on, trace over the guidelines.

    6. Dual Monitor Support and Displays in different rotations
    With a second display, the tablet pen calibration can get all screwed up with the coordinates. In addition, rotating either display into different modes (portrait/landscape) can potentially cause problems.



    A video I did last time:
    [video=youtube;Sb_4szuFnaE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb_4szuFnaE[/video]
     
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  13. whazzup

    whazzup Scribbler - Standard Member

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    And another:
    [video=youtube;_vzxQlsLzs0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vzxQlsLzs0[/video]



    *I apologize for the multiple off-topic posts, but I was not able to put 2 videos in 1 post.
     
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  14. 2disbetter

    2disbetter Function over Form

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    You know I'm not surprised. HP is really started to demonstrate how they lack leadership with the ability to compete in a world where Apple leads technology by the nose. (I say this with great disdain, but am appreciative of Apple pushing quality and higher screen resolutions at least)

    The Slate 500/2 was the perfect form factor. It could have competed with the Surface and all the other tablets on the market. Why would they deviate from that? Was it too difficult to source a higher resolution screen?

    Instead we get tablets that are larger but still packing the internals of the slate. I don't understand.

    If I get ANYTHING larger than the slate, it better have a core i3 processor at the minimum, and at least 4gb of RAM.

    HP is sitting on the resources and technical know how to really come out with a powerful product that could compete, but it requires them to take a risk. And that is something the stuffy old shareholders at HP are too stupid to allow. Instead they'll ride the ship until it sinks and then jump over board.

    2d
     
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    simpleatsh Pen Pal - Newbie

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  16. Bronsky

    Bronsky Wait and Hope. Senior Member

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    I could not agree more. All the slate needed was better components. HP got the size and weight correct. I'm begrudgingly moving to a 10" surface, but stepping up to Ivybridge power.

    http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/28976-hp-will-be-broken-for-four-more-years

    Looks like Meg agrees with you. Half of HPs products will be gone in a year
     
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  17. dceggert

    dceggert Moving 'up' from iPAQ Senior Member

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    Actually, the TC1000 was a creation of Compaq, not HP. So was the iPaq. HP's competition were pitiful so they bought Compaq and then proceeded to ruin those innovative products in favor of the less innovative HP versions. Still going on today? Think Palm and the Touchpad. Acquired, ruined, then dumped.

    It is a window into the corporate politics that are plaguing the top rungs of the internal ladder.
     
  18. Rick

    Rick Sr. Program Manager

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    @Wazzup....Thanks for the insight on pen usage. Think I will spend some time this weekend playing... :)
     
  19. excalibur1814

    excalibur1814 Scribbler - Standard Member Senior Member

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    I must, must, MUST remember these facts! Thanks dceggert :)

    Damn shame :(
     
  20. whazzup

    whazzup Scribbler - Standard Member

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    I don't mind having a gadget for testing too! ;)


    But anyway, here're the images I used:

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