HP 608 G1 comparison impressions - A long journey

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  1. swanlee

    swanlee Scribbler - Standard Member

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    So I've had an Acer W4 for a few years now and it has been a good reliable tablet but I wanted something newer with 4 GB ram and a higher res screen. My journey to replace the Acer W4 has been a literal nightmare but I think I have finally done it.

    Acer W4

    Pros
    + Very reliable
    + Amazing battery life - 11+ hrs of normal use
    +Feels quick for only 2GB ram
    +All around great Tablet very durable a tablet you can count on, no driver or wifi issues
    +Headphone output sounds really good with good headphones
    + was only $250 new

    Cons
    - only 2GB ram - I have to close programs to prevent rendering issues
    - 1200X800 Screen, looks fine but very low res



    Tablets I have bought over the last 4 months to replace my Acer W4

    Onda V919 - $185
    The Onda was not a horrible tablet, it is a 9.7 inch tablet decent build quality, good looking screen but the Wifi adapter in it only did 2.4 GHZ and it was pretty slow, only allowed 1/4 of my max internet speed. It also used the slower 8300 Cherrytrail. Not bad but wifi was a deal breaker a shame as another 5$ invested in a better wifi chip would have made this a nice tablet. Sold that one on Ebay.

    Pro's
    + Only 185$
    +Build quality was better than you'd think
    + Screen was HD + and looked nice
    + Battery was decent maybe 5-6 hrs

    Con's
    - Horrible wifi adapter only does 2.4GHZ, drivers are VERY picky if you upgrade windows they blow up, only get 1/3 max speed standing next to the wifi router
    - At 9.7 inches it was to large, I like 8 inch windows tablets since I also use them as portable audio devices.

    Lenovo Thinkpad 8 - 4GB ram/128GB drive 4G LTE
    I was able to track one of these mythical tablets down on Ebay and this is a piece of junk, horrible tablet and it's probably why this never made it to the States. So you look at the specs and think this is the best 8 inch Windows tablet ever made, you think hey a Baytrail with 4GB ram and a 1080P screen it must get good battery life and not have the throttling issues of the new Cherrytrail? WRONG this tablet was not worth what I paid for the Acer, I paid almost $600 for it and it was a pretty bad experience. So day one I had lots of wifi issues I had to wipe start over and omit several driver updates to keep wifi stable. Then I notice a small section on the left side of the touch screen was not responding to any touches.

    Also the tablet got incredibly hot on the back and the battery life was probably 3.5 hrs at best which is horrible. While it is built well it feel like a solid heavy piece of glass and if you even slightly drop it it will shatter in a million pieces. It has an awkward full USB 3 wide connector at the top of the device, this placement is awkward for charging. So because of the touch screen issue I returned the tablet to the ebay seller. He tried to fight it but I got Ebay involved and they resolved it since the tablet was kind of defective when he sold it to me. So this was the worst tablet of the Bunch, horrible

    Pro's
    + Screen looked nice
    + Spec's look nice on paper

    Con's
    - Got WAY to hot under normal use
    - Battery is horrible 3.5 hrs at best
    - Feels like it will shatter in a million pieces if you drop it
    - I had touch screen issues that were a hardware defect
    - Wifi adapter very picky about drivers
    - Overall package not even close to worth the price
    - Full USB 3 connecter is awkwardly placed and is not very standard


    New Dell Venue Pro 8

    Did not buy, just read user impressions on the Dell forums here and it is a nightmare, probably on 2 out of 30 people kept the tablet everyone else returned theirs. Reports are BSOD, horrible battery life (4hrs), touch screen issue when laying flat as in the touch screen turns off. Avoid this one no one likes it and nearly everyone return theirs.


    HP 608 G1 1st unit

    So after all of this I decided to just buy an HP 608 with 4Gb ram and a 128Gb drive Win 8.1 version. I bought my first one directly from HP. It took about 3 weeks to get here. Build is nice so started doing the routine of updates etc.

    I noticed after firmware updates that the touch screen was laggy, like their was a split second delay in the touch screen noticing you touched it after every 3-5 second interval. Well that sucked turns out that the 1.08 firmware update introduces to touch lag issue.

    Many people on the HP forums are having the same problem. I notice on the HP website their is new Atmel firmware for the touch screen. I update and blam touch no longer works. Seems this touch screen update is only intended for firmware version 1.09. Guess what 1.09 is not available at the time. So after a few days they actually put 1.09 up I attached a keyboard and mouse to the tablet since the touch screen is dead update to 1.09 then reinstall the Atmel firmware and the touch screen works again. Well the problem is the touch screen is still laggy. So I contact HP and return the tablet. Many users on the HP forums suggest get another one and DO NOT update the firmware and you'll be fine.

    HP 608 G1 2nd unit

    So after I confirm HP got my old tablet and will refund me I bought another one. This time I bought it from Provantage.com and saved $100 on the 4GB/128Gb drive version. This tablet came in only a couple of days. Good place to buy from.

    So after Windows updates and NOT updating firmware I finally have a working tablet. 1.08 and 1.09 are bad firmware avoid at all costs. I've heard HP support are working on new Atmel firmware to fix the touch screen lag issue but no ETA. The only issue I have is the Wifi will go into limited mode when it goes to sleep mode. Every blue moon it will go into limited after a few mins of coming out of sleep mode. I toggle airplane mode on and off to fix. I would like a real fix to this but considering my previous issues I can live with it. My first tablet did this as well so it is a driver issue of some type consistent with the HP 608 G1. The drivers do not have a power management option so I can't tell the wifi adapter to not be power managed.

    So after getting a real working tablet I really like the HP 608. Screen is really nice, audio headphone output is really good and pretty loud but still with good quality. The wifi adapter if very powerful in AC mode. I get 125MBPS connection to the internet from my living room room about 30 ft away and a few walls in between the router. This is my max speed and the same speed my PC directly connected to the router gets.

    Build quality is really good, it is well made, pretty thin but doesn't feel like it will shatter if you drop it. 4:3 ratio works pretty well for it. Battery life is pretty good 6-7 hrs. So finally I have a keeper and a real replacement for my Acer W4. I went ahead and put Win 10 on the Acer W4 to use as a test tablet and it upgraded fine.

    Pro's
    + Screen looks amazing
    + 4GB ram is nice and you can feel it runs better
    + Battery is not bad at 6-7 hrs of real use
    + Wifi speed is excellent I get my max internet speed from different rooms
    + Build quality is nice, feels very good to carry, not to heavy but not fragile either
    + Headphone output sounds really good can be used as a portable audio device with good headphones and it can drive them well.

    Cons
    - Firmware 1.08 and 1.09 causes laggy touchscreen, the only fix is to return the tablet and buy another one, it is a deal breaker very very annoying
    - Wifi goes into limited mode when the tablet goes to sleep. Happens 70% of the time

    I have to question WTF these Tablet makers are doing with their Wifi adapters and drivers. Each of these tablets displayed some issue with Wifi. Considering this is how you connect to anything Wifi needs to be a huge priority and in order to have a good tablet you need to get this part right.

    Well this was a journey over 4 months and I probably spent $2000 total to get to this point, I recouped the money from the Onda tablet and the Thinkpad8 and the first HP 608 so I ended up only out the price of the second HP 608. Overall now that I have one that works I'm pretty happy and will be keeping it.
     
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    I like mine, screen is definitely sharp. I haven't done any informal benchmarking and need to check my Atmel driver version. It Win 8.1, 64 GB/4Gb, exactly the combo I wanted. Too bad the Dell didn't pan out successfully, and the HP Envy 8 didn't have options I wanted.

    I am on my way to Verizon store to check on SIM card$$
     
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    Great review, Swanlee. Do you have Win8.1 or Win10 on your new HP?
     
  4. swanlee

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    Win 8.1

    So after a few more days I fixed the limited Wifi issue by going for the latest intel Wifi Drivers, these are much newer than the HP drivers. However while that fixes the limited issue it introduces another issue where the tablet's wifi speed cuts to 1/4 th after long sleep mode. So normally I'll get 125 mbps speed which is really good, after long sleep mode I'll get 20-40mbps. So it seems every time I think I've solved all the issue another one creeps up. I still like the tablet but I'm really wishing it was more polished with every bug ironed out.

    New drivers here, fixes limited introduces slow speeds after sleep mode

    http://www.intel.com/content/www/us...-series/intel-dual-band-wireless-ac-7265.html
     
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    I've decided to return my second tablet and give up completely on any new 8 inch windows tablet screw it. Tired of wifi issues, driver problems, hardware glitches, firmware nightmares, touchscreen problems etc. I like the concept of a small powerful windows tablets but all of them completely suck now. I'll stick with my Acer W4 and maybe get a Surface Pro 4 or something and just deal with the larger size. My wife has my old Gen one Surface Pro that still works great and no stupid issues so I'll take a queue on that.

    I'm so f'n done with this crap, I never had so many PC's flake the f out on me, even ones I hand built were alot more reliable than these hunk of junks they are trying to sell to people. Lenovo, Dell and HP can pretty much bite me for pushing out buggy untested crap on the masses.
     
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    Thank you for posting this information. I was considering selling my V8P when I got it back and getting this, but I am not going to have an 8" tablet for a while
     
  7. swanlee

    swanlee Scribbler - Standard Member

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    No problem, as you can see this entire process has been a complete cluster **** and I'm really pissed off for wasting 4 months of my time trying to find a reliable 8 inch tablet with modern specs like 4GB ram 128GB drive and an HD+ screen.

    My old Baytrail Acer W4 was so good and reliable I can't believe what a nose dive these newer cherrytrial tablets took or the Thinkpad 8 which had a more advance Baytrail.

    It sucks that cherrytrail has been such a cluster **** that so few companies have put out new tablets based on them but given their lack of reliability I can now see why.


    If you are making a tablet these things need to be 100% reliable and working

    Wifi Adapter - Without a good reliable wifi adapter the tablet is useless

    Battery Life - Smaller tablets are more portable, do what you need in order to get 8+ hours of battery.

    Touchscreen smoothness- Don't screw around with new firmware that breaks your touchscreen like on the HP 608

    Get this stuff right and your well on your way to creating a good small tablet.

    Can't believe all these damn tablets had wifi adapter issues that seemed inherent to the adapter itself and NOT an OS problem.

    I hope next gen their is a better chipset that is more reliable and OEM's make more models of 8 inch windows tablets. For now I'm keeping my Acer W4 and picking up a Surface 3 which should be here tomorrow. I'll see how I deal with something a little larger.
     
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    So I bought a Surface 3 (not surface pro 3) and this tablet will be my Acer W4 replacement.

    I got a Surface 3 on amazon for $450, 4GB ram 128GB Drive. That is the current sale price of it. Good deal as it is cheaper than both the Thinkpad 8 I bought on ebay or the HP 608.

    The tablet actually works, after firmware updates and windows updates everything just freaking works. Now before that the wifi adapter was only getting 1MBPS in AC mode which was concerning but after firmware updates and windows updates the Wifi adapter gets my max internet speed of 125MBPS and is even that fast after sleep mode.

    This is the first cherrytrail based Tablet I have used that actually works and works well. Shame on Dell, HP and everyone else who put out half assed cherrytrail tablets that were barely working and had all kind of horrible problems. The tablet works, the battery life is good, touchscreen is perfect, the wifi adapter maintains it's speed even after sleep mode.

    This tablet has NONE of the issues I've experienced over the last 4 months trying out 4 tablets. Of course the only real issue here is the tablet is a 10 inch tablet and not the smaller 8 inch tablet I want. But seeing how every new 8 inch tablet is complete crap I have no other choice but to change my needs on what I want in a tablet.

    Now while the Surface 3 is a 10 inch tablet it is only 1.4 lbs and not much heavier than the 8 inch tablets I've been trying out. It is also incredibly thin and the kickstand is incredibly useful. I still have a Gen one surface pro that my wife uses full time and that was pretty heavy and bulky but the Surface 3 is very light and very thin. But that gen one surface pro is still working great after years so after all the crap tablets I've gone through I decided to just go for reliability.

    Battery life is around 6-9 hrs of normal average use which is pretty good for Win 10, the HP 608 got 6-7 hrs on Win 8.1 and probably 4-5 hrs on Win 10. win 10 is much harder on battery life.

    The screen is ok, it is a 1080P screen which at 10 inches is adequate, it does lack the ultra high res sheen of 2048X1536 screens seen on the HP 608 or other tablets. It not horrible though but it is nothing special.

    So to break down the Surface 3

    Pro
    + The tablet works, set it up , update the firmware and everything works, no spending days/weeks trying to swap out drivers.
    + Wifi Adapter gets full speed internet connection in separate rooms in AC mode
    + Good specs 4GB ram/128 GB drive
    + Kickstand is extremely useful on a tablet
    + Build quality is top notch
    + Headphone output sounds really good, disable audio enhancements in the advanced tab of the sounds options for much better audio
    + Performance is good, the tablet feels quick and snappy
    + Has active pen and attachable Keyboard if you want more accessorises after the fact
    + good battery life 6-9 hrs
    + It's only $450 now for the 4GB RAM 128GB Drive model

    Cons

    - 10 inch tablet, a little large for someone who REALLY wanted an 8 inch tablet
    - 1080P screen is only adequate not horrible but certainly not exciting.


    So this journey ends now and it's a bummer an 8 inch tablet is not available that offers the performance and reliability of the Surface 3 but I've pretty much tried them all now and will not put up with glitchy crappy tablets.

    I REALLY hope MS revives the Surface mini and simply SHRINKS the Surface 3 to 8 inches. Keep everything the same in the Surface 3 just shrink it to 8 inches and that is my perfect tablet.
     
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    :) Similar story here but I'm keeping all my 8" and love my S3 got the LTE model.
    I have the below 8"
    Thinkpad 8 64gb 2gb
    Thinkpad 8 unicorn model (4Gb, 128 Gb LTE) agree with most of your points but it's pretty powerful, a friend of mine gave me a vmware El Capitan and it works good, he's a Mac specialist and was very impressed with the performance, hdmi is also a good thing.
    Dell Venue 8 Pro, original one with touch sensitivity issues a Dell technician will come next week for checking it as it's really handy with good battery life, digitizer is **** but hope the Dell guy will fix it.
    VivoTab note 8, piece of junk. it died after one year, just when the warranty has expired, Asus gave me an RMA for checking it, at my cost of course, I'll send it to them so just so I don't have to dispose it my self, I used to have the EP121 which died as well, never ever will buy Asus again.
     
  10. swanlee

    swanlee Scribbler - Standard Member

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    Yea no way I could keep all that money sunk on crappy tablets. I spent over $2k on the Onda, Thinkpad 8 and two HP 608's and was able to get my money back on all of them. None of them were worth keeping for me even if I got them free.

    My S3 is doing well it only has one sound quirk where sound dies after certain notifications trigger but the workaround is fairly easy to just re enable sound enhancements in the sound advanced properties.
     
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