How many horses under YOUR Desktop?

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  1. Steve S

    Steve S Pen Pro - Senior Member Super Moderator

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    <<...how do we import our own selection into the forum software?..>>

    ...I happened to see coverage of a recent research study that claimed that writers who used emojis were not taken as seriously as writers who didn't use emojis...!
     
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    If you are strictly takling about Moore's law, which is really about the amount of transistors Intel was able to double in a given space every 18 months until recently, Intel is no longer the pace setters in that aspect of consumer CPU space as of say 4 years ago.

    Currently the hexacore Core processors from Intel (which really is realistically the top limit of their consumer line), only packs in about 2 billion transistors. That sounds like a lot, and it is, but it is about 33% less than a phone processor from Apple.

    That's right, the Apple A10 SoC inside iPhone 8/X and iPad Pros packs over 3 billion transistors!. Inside an f'n phone. Infact, Apple crossed the 3B mark back A9 days. This is why Apple is so gung ho to replace Intel in their Mac lines asap, no matter how much pain the transistion causes their Mac customers.
     
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    Whoa. I'd never done a transistor count roundup before. The new (to me) Dell laptop arriving soon from eBay has a 4th generation Core i5 with.., 1.3 billion transistors on it.

    For comparison, the machine it is replacing had less than half that, with 504 million. -And my old Tecra M4 had only (only??) around 140 million.

    Those numbers are making my brain boggle a bit. -They're not surprising per se, they make sense, but I'd never really given it more than passing consideration before.

    I'm not sure I'm entirely comfortable having over a billion of anything in my house. I mean, discrete, numbered with addresses, there on purpose items. Atoms and cells and bacteria and such don't count. But for a human-made thing..? It seems a little bit spooky and unreal.

    When did the world turn into a sci-fi novel exactly?

    Like.., I sort of want to keep my old computer, with it's modest 504 million transistors tucked away just in case the Universe blinks and says, "What? Waaaaait a second! Just what are you humans trying to pull? Anything over a billion you can't have! I'm in charge of physics. Get Real! Sheesh. Greedy little bastards..."
     
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    I suppose an important technological landmark will be crossed sooner than later when consumer CPU crosses 100 billion transistors mark, which is a largely accepted estimate for amount of neurons in a human brain. Now, obviously transistor does not equate to a neuron, but if we use Moore's law to extrapolate from A10's 3 billion transistors, less than 10 years, Apple could achieve 100 billion transistors.

    But Moore's law is now fighting the limits of physics at this point, so you can throw out the 18 month doubling paradigm. So we might be switching to quantum bit computers before we reach 100 billion transistor consumer chip with the good old binary chips.
     
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    I get the feeling that if silicone advancement would just stop dead, that mining for efficiencies within existing architectures would yield untold riches.

    I remember when my family owned a 16 Kb Radio Shack Color Computer. The hardware didn't change for years, but boy, the software got better and better as programmers, jammed up against the logical limits had to get creative.

    By the end of that era, the stuff coming out of the old CoCo was spectacularly beyond anybody's estimates of what was possible half a decade earlier.

    But I don't see things slowing down in physical processor development. I see people lining up for their new indium gallium arsenide based 7nm Intel CPU. So-called, III-V Semiconductors.

    I think we're going to cross the 100 billion mark sooner than later.
     
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    Beyond 7nm, the fabs will be employing some wild **** to compensate for electron leakage and parasitics, but at the end of the day, I think Moore's law is pretty much dead at that point.

    And with Apple having leveraged Moore's law to the maximum for making A series SoC the biggest and the most powerful mobile processor in the world, where would they go from there? I'm beginning to think that they might have painted themselves into a corner by taking ARM architecture well outside of its efficiency and light weight architecture comfort zone. They have basically made a desktop processor out of ARM architecture. Is that an approach that allows long term success or is it designed mostly for short term gains?
     
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    Where can I join a discussion abut protein folding?
     
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    Is protein folding euphemism for watching porn?
     
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    A computer like that(3 gpus+quad core cpu) is way overkill for porn viewing. Actually would make a good rig for youtube 4k work, but I'm not in that line of work. I actually was for a while using my cpu and gpu power to help fold protein for science via CureCoin(a crypto mining for a good cause). A relative told me I can help science try to find cures, while getting paid a small amount(in their own coin). Piqued my interest and also gave me a good excuse to have a good computer for photo editing, as my Surface 3 does a passable, but slow job(Fuji RAW files are a bit finicky). It has a standard 2tb HDD, which has no effect on the protein folding, but surprisingly enough start-up times are actually slower than my Surface 3. It makes the emmc on the S3 look like a speed demon. I may just get a budget $40 SSD as the main drive to speed it up.
     
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    On the subject of phones, the photographic abilities of most good smartphones is pretty incredible. Only a few techniques now are DSLR only. The only thing that stops me ditching SLR photography is the quality of lenses on "real" cameras is still better than the lens you find on a phone.
    makes you think when you see how people treat their phones and don't protect them in back pockets or handbags as they'd never treat a camera the same way.

    Apple was never big in the Desktop market and the amount of iMacs, MacBooks and Mac Pros it sells are a drop in the desktop ocean.
    A9 and A10 powered iPads and iPhones are where Apple sells big and make their money; traditional desktop Mac customers are used to it - not that long ago (2006) Apple's own PowerPC processors got ditched for Intel. If you look at the amount of Mac computers that have Intel inside, it makes sense as they feel the x86 processor is reaching its limit.
     
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