Cintiqs step aside! Here comes Apple Sidecar

Discussion in 'Apple/iOS' started by Marty, Jun 6, 2019.

  1. doobiedoobiedum

    doobiedoobiedum Scribbler - Standard Member Senior Member

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    All the things I disagree with..
    1. The iPad was a subject of ridicule on this forum and many others when it first appeared. I've been on this forum several years now and iPads were hated almost as much as Apple. However in the real world the iPad sold by the truckload and then the peripherals market (and all those capacactive pens) probably pushed iPad to release the Pro and I don't remember that being a subject of ridicule. There's an irony that in many ways the iPad could kill off Wacom on Apple.
    2. Wacom pushed many artists away - not everyone could afford a Cintiq, Wacom offered a really awful version of EMR for tabletpc manufacturers and the drive for an accurate alternative. For years, artists using tabletpc learned to draw near the centre of their small screen because the edges were a desert of accuracy. Wacom were never going to offer better digitisers but it was Ntrig's adoption that forced Wacom to firstly adopt AES (their version) and Apple's iPad that dragged Wacom kicking and screaming to the world of accuracy (better accuracy) on their EMR offerings for consumer pcs.
    3. Duet Display allows iPad and iPad Pro to be hooked up to a PC
    4. "Yet"
    5. Hackintosh will never be supported - Apple licensed clones (I owned one in the 90's) and then they got left high and dry when Steve Jobs demonstrated that they were taking market share from the tiny Apple buying market.
    Of course, anyone can disagree with me - I could be wrong but Wacom is getting the kicking it deserves on Apple and on OSX because the Chinese alternatives (and Japanese XP-Pen) have now offered reasonable and cheaper alternatives to very high priced Cintiq. Wacom have had to focus more and more on their Pro / 4K+ screen offerings to compete and keep their "special tool" tag.
    They could have done this years ago, they could have put cheaper and better digitisers into tabletpcs but they didn't. Most laptop PC owners who have a stylus don't use them so you can partly understand why.
     
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  2. siddhartth

    siddhartth Scribbler - Standard Member Senior Member

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    I dont understand the point you are trying to make or how it differs from mine.
    If Wacom thinks it can leave prosumers in the dirt and concentrate on juicy deals with big offices, it's certainly mistaken. Companies depend on Microsoft's office because it's a software provider, they need consistency and backwards compatibility in their file formats. But art and notetaking is not bound to hardware or software. No body gives a danm which software an artist used on which drawing tablet if it's good enough for the studio one works for. So, i agree that Wacom can get screwed if it doesnot differentiate itself.

    It's XP-Pen has come up with a laminated display for their EMR, it's just a matter of time before they implement touch compatibility too. And soon some Huwawei or Xiaomi might experiment with them in one of their android tablets.

    What Wacom needs to do
    That's why i said It's actually best for Wacom to come up with a consumer centric 2k slate with user replaceable batteries that can work with midrange laptops, Android and iphones with USB c without external Power supply.

    Wacom also needs to offer more than what xp-pen offers in their premium 4 linek up, HDR, oled, variable refresh, colour gamut. And 32 inch Cintiq should be 5k not 4k.

    About Hackintoshes
    i believe Apple will realise in coming 10 years that it's hardware prices are so high that they are keeping it's marketshare from increasing, but it knows how much people crave the MacOS and software like logic pro etc. So, they might not hesitate in renting a Mac in the cloud which doesn't thermal throttle itself. Apple will make it the most expensive server business but people will still flock to it to avoid the starting cost of buying a physical mac.

    Windows has already made pen remoting a first class input method in it's remote desktop app with minimal lag. Google stadia will keep bandwidth reserved or a seperate channel for it's controller input. I am certain Apple will be able to do the same for it's Pencil, keyboard and mouse input. For the time bieng Pen remoting only works between two PCs but in future i can open upto Android and iPad OS too. if that happens you will just need an iPadPro to mainline a Mac or a PC at your will, iPadPro will no longer remain a sidecar. It's a great time for iPadOS to get acquainted with the mouse, i should not be too naive to think Apple was just listening to customers and fulfilling their wishes.

    My Prediction and naming about Pixel phones came true, i am keeping my fingers crossed on this one.
    So, Hackintoshes might become the future MacCloud, with a 5G or fibre cable. Cintiqs will truly be dead then.

    Unless of course, someone needs a 4k 24" textured glass surface.
     
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  3. doobiedoobiedum

    doobiedoobiedum Scribbler - Standard Member Senior Member

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    What's with the spoilers?

    Anyhow, I think I'll probably break the word / character allowance if I respond all your points so I'll just simplify down: Apple tried the clone market once and Steve Jobs showed them they were stealing market share from Apple itself. Apple won't do that again. Wacom is differentiated - they focus on high end expensive machines. They once sold lower price digitisers to the laptop market and they were pretty poor quality as they wanted to keep high end to themselves. AES is the lower price point for most users and it does the job for them - it doesn't however compare favourably to the Apple Pencil which won't ever be licensed to PC manufacturers.
    Wacom should primarily focus on Windows and Linux users - a few Mac users will still buy the larger Cintiqs but now there's little purpose for anything below a 20" Cintiq especially when you compare screen proportion of modern graphic tablets to an iPad Pro dimensions.
     
  4. WillAdams

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    The problem was the contracts with the clone manufacturers were written so as to allow them to make competing hardware, or to adjust prices so that the clones were then competing.

    If Apple is going to make such a limited arrange of hardware, a cost-effective way to increase the variety of machines would be to allow licensing of hardware which is required to be in a different form-factor.

    I'd give my interest in hell for a tablet with EMR stylus which runs Mac OS X.
     
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  5. paprikaleapt

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    For casuals, I think - what is stopping someone from grabbing the cheapest ipad with pen and cheapest MacBook and getting 90% of the benefit of "a drawing tablet with computer?" Once Apple irons out the kinks of sidecar, what is stopping them from eating up the casual art space?

    Well I guess as 3d art/user tools to create VR becomes more common, people will want more powerful machines

    But maybe Wacom knows they are going to get murdered in the casual/non Samsung space so they will just go deeper into the hardcore space?

    What am I talking about? As long as Samsung is around there will probably be plenty of casual artists using Wacom EMR and plenty using AES
     
  6. siddhartth

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    I think everything is going in the subscrition direction, with the advent of cloud. Growth from hardware sales alone is not enough. Apple's services are a very important revenue stream for Apple, i can totally see Apple renting macOS based personal computers in the cloud, as a subscription service. May benin 5-8 years.
     
  7. doobiedoobiedum

    doobiedoobiedum Scribbler - Standard Member Senior Member

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    Apple computers have not been big enough in 30-40 years to offer the variety that a specialist PC manufacturer did. Even now, OSX machines still only make up just over 10% of their revenue. You've owned Macs for a few years and would remember the days when Microsoft had to bail out Apple by releasing Office for Mac to help support the dying platform.

    You could hack an unused Windows EMR tablet?
     
  8. wytn

    wytn Pen Pal - Newbie

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    I just saw the same thing today:

    https://www.macrumors.com/2019/06/06/macos-catalina-sidecar-limited-to-newer-macs/

    I'm still on Sierra and will only upgrade to High Sierra this year, plus, I really wouldn't trade my 'old' 2015's MBP for any newer model currently available, so...
    I'm glad I can simply forget about Catalina & Side Car haha.
     
  9. WillAdams

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    That Apple's offerings are so limited is exactly why Apple licensing manufacturers to make non-competing hardware is so powerful.

    Unfortunately, installing Mac OS X on non-Apple products is not an acceptable topic of discussion here.
     
  10. Bronsky

    Bronsky Wait and Hope. Senior Member

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    I'm not a Mac OS guy, but I don't think that's true anymore.
     

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