AMD Ryzen

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by Steve S, Feb 15, 2017.

  1. RT545

    RT545 Scribbler - Standard Member

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    I wish this would happen but the production of a chip is so expensive, unfortunately... :(

    Maybe this requires that some states, rather than private companies, would put money into it...
     
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    tl;dr: Intel already lost the multithreaded performance crown long, long ago in 2017. In 2019, they were finally at a stalemate in single-threaded. In 2020, the day of reckoning came. They lost by a landslide, most notably in their final shored up place of retreat that they love to brag a lot about: gaming. These charts below show the headline-catching new key wins, where Intel's best (the Core i9-10900K) loses to AMD's worst (the Ryzen 5 5600X). If you visit @Steve S's link above, you can also see where AMD continues to singlehandedly dispatch Intel in multithreaded performance. Spoiler: It's a bloodbath, where AMD's $800 16-core Ryzen 9 5950X is 5%-6% off from outperforming Intel's 28-core Xeon W-3175X—that's a $3000 workstation processor that draws over double the power, no less!
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    That's great news! Maybe I'm wrong, but I am pretty sure AMD was the default option for consumer SKUs since the Laptop 3. In the meantime, I am still hoping that someone makes a Ryzen tablet PC.
     
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    Depends on the channel ,country and model/size with the laptop 3. In the US for example best buy was intel on the 13 models and AMD on the 15s. Amazon had one AMD 13 and one intel 15. And small/medium business was default Intel with AMD being options in education.

    And I seriously wonder about who designed that strategy....
     
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    Intel's 11th Gen Rocket Lake came... and its name is effectively an oxymoron. It is moderately faster at synthetics than last generation, somehow slower than last generation in games, but immediately and noticeably slower than Ryzen 5000 series with over double the peak power consumption. All in all, Rocket Lake lives up to the popular nickname among computer enthusiasts for Intel products these days: Fail Lake.

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    Intel Core i7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake (anandtech.com)

    I predicted ~300W peak power about a year or so ago when I had first heard they were making the big mistake of bringing AVX-512 to 14nm mainstream consumer processors. Why on earth? There was a valid, wise, very, very, very good reason Intel had reserved AVX-512 to just their 14-nm HEDT processors and that had always been the furnace-like heat and nuclear-like power consumption of it. Even with the best logical design improvements from a new microarchitecture, it is still an extremely intensive logical pill of a task to swallow. Now, we see that reason in full, unadulterated display.

    You bring a massively complex instruction set extension to a higher process node where you have far lengthier physical networks (meaning essentially longer wires, increased resistance, higher power, and maximum heat) and, of course, you are going to have a steaming pile. Remember this review is only looking at the number two product, the Core i7-11700K which has lower clocks and lower power draw. The Core i9-11900K will likely need a 360- or 420-mm AIO just to not thermal throttle like mad. My 5950X with its meager 240mm AIO (Corsair H100i RGB Platinum) that runs at the quiet mode setting is laughing its butt off right about now.

    When Ian Cutress had to use an obnoxiously loud 170 CFM fan (I have used 100 CFM Deltas and those already annoy most PC enthusiasts) on a massive 4-pound, full copper heatsink to tame the 11700K's 290W, I shudder to think. Will the 11900K be record breaking the FX-9590's record-making peak power draw of 350W? Ian easily could have gotten the 11900K also at retail, but I think he is holding back on that because he already knows the 11900K is going to be a throttling disaster and only the 11700K is an actually usable processor. *mike drop*


    EDIT: Correction: the 11700K very likely already has surpassed the FX-9590's power consumption under full load. /u/toasters_are_great just pointed out that the FX-9590 was tested measuring total system power, whereas AnandTech's Core i7-11700K review is only measuring total power for just the individual processor:

    This idle-to-AVX power delta chart from AnandTech that I uncovered shows a difference of 272 watts for the FX-9590 between idle and full load. This 272-watt figure would suggest that FX-9590 actually draws a sub-300-watt power level under duress, around 10-20 watts below the 11700K's measured full load power level.

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