AMD Ryzen

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  1. Kumabjorn

    Kumabjorn ***** is back Senior Member

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    I freely admit that @sonichedgehog360 has an enthusiasm for Ryzen that is contagious. A youthful zeal that is the envy for those of us looking in the back mirror. Yet, just remember that business is a much more complicated equation than just the best or cheapest product. There once was a video war that was won by an inferior technology. Around the world countries are still squabbling over cell phone protocols and bandwidths. And despite the introduction of elevators and escalators they still build plenty of staircases. Just sayin'.
     
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    This is particularly true with breakthrough innovations, unfortunately, that must go through a lot of inertia before they reach the general public, for obvious economical reasons of disrupting the existing markets and investments...


    I am reasonably optimistic that the silicon industry may organize itself to manage the transition beyond silicon, and hopeful that they can manage this in a reasonably short period (10 years?) IBM for example, always lead the way toward smaller building process and faster chips. Allied with Samsung and Global Foundries they have spent money investigating in a lot of directions, to combine the use of extreme ultraviolet wavelength building process with newer materials like silicon/germanium (which may also be used to speed up things in the interconnect purpose you were talking about in your previous post about the AMD MCM designs):

    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ibm-7nm-silicon-germanium-transistors,29546.html
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/ibm-unveils-industrys-first-7nm-chip-moving-beyond-silicon/

    And they also demonstrated recently EUV to build 5nm nodes:

    http://www.laserfocusworld.com/articles/2017/06/ibm-uses-euv-lithography-to-reach-5-nm-semiconductor-node.html

    Other researches with silicon/germanium permit to reach much faster transistor switching speed, of the 100GHz or even THz order, by using cold temperatures in order to get material properties close to superconductivity:

    https://phys.org/news/2014-02-silicon-germanium-chip.html

    And all the materials that are worth investigating in the future, in order to boost switching speed or (allied with silicon) to boost interconnect, are all the 2D atomic thin counterpart of the well known materials, like graphene, silicene, germanene, stanene, and phosphorene, that often display amazing electromagnetic properties close to those of a superconductor, at room temperature:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25380184
     
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    sonichedgehog360 Editor-in-Chief of TechAndTiny Senior Member

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    Spirit is how I more aptly term it, which is, in own experience, largely independent of age. One of my most highly spirited friends is in her late eighties and she has more enthusiasm and a glow about her (think on the level of Dick Van Dyke) than many high school friends I know that are merely "plugging away" in their twenties and thirties. In fact, she recently had a robbery attempt against her and that person lived to deeply regret it as that would-be assailant ran like a wounded puppy with their tail between their legs. :)

    True, and that is precisely why I have taken into account product market performance besides product merits in coming to my conclusions. When it comes down to it, as you state, product market performance must be the driving factor since uptake, not merits, determine success. Though I have here kept the focus of my postings on product merits in analyzing compared to Intel, I have, first and foremost, been keeping a very close eye on how Ryzen has performed and the results (just a mere sampling below) speak for themselves:

    https://www.tweaktown.com/news/58252/amd-took-10-4-cpu-market-share-intel-q2-2017/index.html
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-chip-revival-effort-enlists-some-big-friends
    https://www.extremetech.com/computi...rong-ryzen-epyc-sales-zen-apus-launching-year
    http://hexus.net/business/news/components/109718-amd-cpu-sales-outpace-intel-leading-german-etailer/
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/antony...d-the-processor-that-beat-intel/#1a3e6aba230c

    There are also plenty of anecdotal sources of evidence–things you observe qualitatively that leave the strong visual impression that things are shifting–that AMD has strong upward momentum, including AMD products now dominating PCPartPicker's front page and key media influencers like Linus Sebastian showing support for Ryzen. With the desktop and database markets already showing surging uptake for AMD processors, what remains is for mobile (Raven Ridge) which we will be seeing shortly in the coming months.
     
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    New Geekbench benchmark results have been exposed for AMD's Raven Ridge, their upcoming Ryzen 5 2500U, a competitor with Intel's 8th Gen Core i5 processor. Single thread performance is on par with Skylake Core i5-6300U (~3200-3700) and multi-threaded performance is on par with a Kaby Lake Refresh Core i5-8250U (~12400).

    https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/search?q=2500u

    Meanwhile, graphic performance has been leaked previously (see earlier post in this thread), which is double that of the leading mobile Intel Iris Graphics.
     
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