Alternatives to Vivotab Note 8???

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  1. Avenger

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    This is the first 8 inch Samsung tablet from Samsung since the Galaxy Note 8 which I recently retired. I’d rather have this than the 10” s4 tablet that I bought even though it is lower end. Too bad it’s not coming to the USA.
     
  2. ToniCipriani

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    A bit more than that. Intel is not invested in tablet SoCs anymore, the Z8xxx chips are pretty old by now. Supposedly Celeron and Pentium Silver/Gold replaces it but they're mostly used in very low end Walmart/Best Buy laptops or Chromebooks.

    I'm hoping 10 on ARM will gain more momentum, an 8-in Qualcomm tablet with pen that can dual boot Android and Windows (or at least via XDA developers) would be pretty nice. Battery life should be WAY better than the VTN8.
     
  3. paprikaleapt

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    The pain from hearing what we know is the truth

    I still remember being very excited when the Dell Venue 8 Pro, eight inch full windows tablet came out. And then the asus vivotab note 8 with EMR. well the direction was clear

    Surely with cherry trail, we'd have amazingly long battery life and good enough performance, everything was going in the direction we thought.

    It would be fine they said.
    It would be okay, they said.

    Oh, and don't forget multiple companies making attempts at dual boot android/windows? Remember when that was a thing before being axed by the big companies?

    What will happen first?

    - ios and android becoming even better to the point windows has almost no advantage on an 8 inch tabet

    OR

    - Andromeda

    OR

    - Milkdromeda

    OR

    Chocolate milk with Barnie's Cocoa Pebbles
     
  4. HJK

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    I've not been following these things closely for a while, but the One Mix 3s is the first device this small I've seen with a Core M (and above?) processor. That's certainly intriguing.

    The thing I don't get is why these One Mix Yoga devices have keyboards. Why not just make it a tablet? (*edit* I see now that the One Mix Yoga models aren't fanless--I guess that might explain in part why a keyboard would be attached?)

    In any event, to my knowledge no major OEMs are working on any full Windoes devices in this size range any more. Maybe the AVTN8 size/style/concept is just a relic of a bygone era now?
     
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  5. Mr. Boosh

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    Because if people wanted a tablet they'd just buy a tablet? Those of us purchasing these devices want a laptop first form factor.
     
  6. HJK

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    Interesting. You must have really small hands to use one of the One Mix Yoga line devices as a laptop first. For my part, if I were to buy one I'd use it with a keyboard much (most?) of the time, but I would use a bt mouse and keyboard. There is no way I could do extensive typing on a sub-9-inch keyboard.
    For quite a while, my AVTN8 functioned as my "laptop," and I used it with a bt keyboard and mouse, and I loved it.
     
  7. Mr. Boosh

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    You get used to it after awhile, through practice, like anything else, has very little to do with hand size. Have you actually tried one? But obviously you're not part of the demographic who wants these machines. Your tablet requires a stand and extra accessories to carry around.
     
  8. HJK

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    I have used smaller keyboards, though not this small. Trust me, for me it absolutely has to do with hand size. I've developed major cramps with smaller keyboards. My old T100, for example, had a very nice keyboard and I used it for a long time. After getting major hand pain, I realized that was a big mistake. That's why a tablet plus a supplemental keyboard (perhaps with a larger included keyboard, like the Envy Note 8) makes more functional sense to me.
    Ironically, this is more so the case for me because I would want to use it as a full-on laptop replacement. There may be quite a few people who would be fine with a 7 or 8 inch keyboard while pounding out a quick email or social media comment. I would guess, however, that precious few users would be comfortable typing a full report, article, term paper, etc. on a 7 or 8 inch keyboard. The target audience for this device probably would want this device as a supplement to their laptop, not a full-on laptop replacement, which probably makes sense for many; this only means pounding out an email in a pinch, not editing a term paper. I''d want to do more.
    In any event, the keyboard isn't necessarily a deal breaker for me. But if I get one I'll still end up carrying around a supplementary keyboard and bt mouse. Put it this way: with one of these little kits, kb, and mouse, I can do the vast majority of Office type tasks I need to do anywhere I go, without lugging along an ultrabook as well. If I could ditch the attached kb, that would be even more compact, fwiw.
     
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    Two more thoughts in this vein:
    1) The added bulk from the attached kb will surely make note taking more awkward, making these devices less attractive for old-school AVTN8 users.
    2) Hopefully someone will come out with a surface-style device with a type cover. That would make a world of sense both for those who want an attached kb and those who want a AVTN8 style note-taker that can run full Office style apps.
     
  10. Mr. Boosh

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    Again, you're not the target audience, but the first case you referenced is exactly what these are used for. I tried doing the penabled tablet thing in undergrad and the start of med school because I was under the assumption that note-taking by hand was the best way to do things. Except for my anatomy courses where drawing served useful, typing things on a keyboard is more efficient, and much much faster. Being able to circle a thing or two with a pen is nice, so having the active digitizer as a supplement to the laptop form factor is best, at least for me.

    The convenience factor of being able to pop a full-fledged laptop (even though it's small) into one's pocket and head to class or clinics far outweighs carrying a full-fledged laptop and bag. During the day I don't need to edit term papers. No one is doing that on these devices anyway, and I would never attempt it. No one is saying to replace your desktop or laptop with these, they're secondary or tertiary devices.

    For you, having the ability to write on a tablet is obviously important. But there's no way you can argue that a tablet + an external keyboard + an external mouse is more compact. It's not. Multiple chargers or multiple batteries, and multiple things to keep track of unless it's all in a bag or case thing which makes it even more bulky. These new UMPCs are a single sleek unit with the same USB-C charger as your phone. I will give you this, the mouse pointers do suck on all of these, except for the new 8" P2 Max that has an actual trackpad which is crowd-funding now.
     
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