Acer ConceptD 7 Ezel Pen Performance

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  1. kfkok

    kfkok Pen Pal - Newbie

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    Hi folks, I saw the Acer ConceptD 7 and is interested in its drawing and (more importantly) its painting capabilities. However I could not find much painting/drawing demonstration except by Brad Colbow (he draws but not paint)

    However I have a few questions on the pen:

    1) Is pressure sensitivity working fine on software such as photoshop, substance painter, corel painter, clip studio paint, and other mainstream painting/drawing software.

    2) If I use alternate EMR pens such as STAEDTLER Noris Digital stylus, will it have the same pressure sensitivity feel with original pen? Will these pens share the same pressure curve? Will they improve the pen experience?

    3) For serious art work creation, will this tablet matches Wacom Mobile Studio Pro 16 drawing/painting experience at least by 70% ?

    My main concern is the pen is not good enough (or simply restricted by some software) to paint textures for 3d models (as compared with Wacom Mobile Studio Pro). Therefore I am deciding between this and Wacom Mobile Studio Pro 16 which have a better pen but less powerful specs. I also intend to do programming and AI studies which ConceptD 7 can provide me the beast power.

    I was wondering if any of you folks that have used ConceptD 7 Ezel wacom EMR pen can provide me some input?

    Many Thanks..
     
  2. starllcraft

    starllcraft Pen Pal - Newbie

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    In my opinion, Wacom feel it EMR 2.0 pen technology on third-party devices can achieve 80% of the painting experience of wacom propen2.
    Besides pen technology, the third-party feelemr device has a better experience in quality, design and cost performance, because wacom is not a professional consumer electronics device manufacturer, and its computer experience is not good The screen frame is very big, the device is very heavy, the heat dissipation is not good, the news that the battery is expanding and squeezing the screen is often heard, and the hardware performance is not high, the cost performance is not good.
    Different pens with Wacom feel it EMR 2.0 technology feel different. The more expensive pen has more button functions, more comfortable grip, and the most important one is the better pen initial activation force, which reaches the 1g level of wacom propen2.
    Here I recommend HP zbook x2 stylus and Acer conceptd 9 stylus.
    Although conceptd 7 ezel emr pen is a rare double button pen, But the diameter is too small Uncomfortable in the hand
    Conceptd 9 EMR pen is the most powerful EMR pen at present. It has two buttons + magnetic adsorption function , and it should be fully compatible if you can buy a pen separately.
    But it can only be purchased from small websites of some suppliers: https://www.zandparts.com/en/Acer-NC.23811.070

    The difference in pen performance is that although wacom has licensed feel EMR technology to a third-party computer manufacturer, wacom does not provide a complete pen driver to most devices (except HP zbook x2 uses intuos driver and Dell canvas 27 uses feel it driver, both of which are written by wacom), but we still have many third-party solutions.
    1: Pressure sensitivity:
    Nowadays, most applications are adapted to windows ink, but there are still some old software using Wintab API, such as sai2. Sai2 has no Wintab API driver if it has no pressure sense, but we can set it to use Windows API to save and restart (although the pressure sensitivity is limited to 1024 level, it is enough). In addition, the newly discovered PC driver Wintab API for downloading superdisplay can also be used normally in some programs.
    2: How to customize shortcut keys on pen:
    The pen with one or two buttons can be mapped and adjusted through the "tablet Pro pen tool" Application of Microsoft app store.
    3: Problems of pressure curve control:
    The global pressure curve of all programs can be solved by "lazy nezumi Pro" application program.
     
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  3. kfkok

    kfkok Pen Pal - Newbie

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    Thank you for this information ! Its very helpful.
    Just curious, I wonder if the lack of wacom driver for these 3rd party pens would greatly affect the pen performance in these applications? Will I face the problem where the conceptD 7 pen (or any third party pens) will not have pressure for an application like Substance Painter? I am afraid that I brought this expensive laptop but the pen has no pressure sensitivity for some applications.

    Here is an example of what I mean:
    https://community.acer.com/en/discu...en-pressure-sensitivity-in-corel-painter-2020
     
  4. starllcraft

    starllcraft Pen Pal - Newbie

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    This is very irritating, I used (Photoshop, krita, sai2, clip studio paint) these four kinds of painting software pressure sensing can work normally.

    In principle, newer applications will support Windows ink API. Using Windows ink should not affect pen performance. Without wacom driver, you can't use Wintab API. Wintab is the standard of digital ink a long time ago. You can check whether the application you are using has the function of switching tablet software interface to windows ink / tablet PC. If you can't solve the problem, I suggest you contact the developer.

    Wacom only provides drivers for HP zbook x2 and Dell canvas 27. I suggest you contact Acer to develop drivers.
    If you have enough computer knowledge, you can see if you can modify the wacom driver of HP zbook x2 and Dell canvas 27 and give it to conceptd 7 ezel.
     
  5. stoneseeker

    stoneseeker Animator and Art Director Senior Member

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    1.) pressure sensitivity will certainly work excellent with any of the apps that still rely on wintab drivers, such as photoshop etc. It's the apps with no wintab support like Substance Painter (which only uses windows Ink) and a few others that struggle if there is no Wacom driver present.

    2.) So any tabletPC Wacom EMR pen like the HP ZBook X2 pen and the Staedtler Noris etc will work fine with this EMR tablet. Most of those new ones will support the same pressure sensitivity since that stuff is mostly decided by the EMR grid and firmware in the tablet, not the pen. As to whether they will improve the experience, I imagine the most you would feel would be ergonomics (the default silo pen with the D7 is a bit skinny and small for long term use) but if its an EMR pen, it should feel awesome.

    3.) YES. Assuming the app you want to use falls into the category of not requiring the Wacom drivers for pressure. It blows my mind that there aren't Wacom drivers available for the D series yet, they really should have a similar driver to the HP ZBook X2. But if you are going to be painting in Photoshop, the D7 should be amazing to draw on, and likely a superior overall experience to the Mobile Studio Pro. The only pen experience that would feel more responsive in theory would be a Cintiq Pro which has a slightly higher initial activation force and has thoroughly optimized drivers.
     
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  6. kfkok

    kfkok Pen Pal - Newbie

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    Thanks for clearing it up for me, yes the lack of Wacom drivers for the D series is what worries me, but its good to know that Photoshop and most app will run fine on this tablet pc even without the driver.


    Whelps, Well sorry for my lack of knowledge about this, I never used wacom EMR tablet pc before, but thanks for clearing it up as well..
     
  7. Hannibalj2

    Hannibalj2 Pen Pal - Newbie

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    How did you get pressure sensitivity on your ConceptD? It seem mine doesnt have any driver for the pen. No pressure at all, also if I try clicking on things to open things like folder, nothing happen. I come from Cintiqs and so far the ConceptD digitizer is terrible. Also I cant find any tablet/ wacom drivers on the support page.
     
  8. thatcomicsguy

    thatcomicsguy Pen Pro - Senior Member Senior Member

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    Ah. It may be a "Call Acer" problem.

    Or it could quite easily be Wacom pulling their dumb tricks again to maintain competitive advantage. -Where they only license their digitizers to 3rd party OEMs with deliberately crippled drivers. -To make sure that only Wacom has the best performing tablets. Kinda scuzzy, if you ask me, but it's their choice to live in fear. If they had been more open and brave, they'd still have their MS contract and have their branding on every pen device on the planet by now. But I digress...

    Users of Samsung's 2-in-1 line run into a similar (the same?) problem, where the stylus doesn't work the way digital artists expect.

    To work around that, the user has a few options in the form of swapping drivers and installing 3rd party software. I disabled some of the Samsung pen software and installed Radialmenu. -This allows me to perform 'hover clicking' to bring up context menus with the stylus button.

    My Samsung doesn't have a problem with pressure in my art programs, though.

    It's odd that Brad Colbow didn't mention any issues in his review. If it turns out to not be some Acer issue which they can fix, I'd drop a question on Brad's YouTube channel asking how he got it to work. He seems pretty good about responding.



    ~~~~~~~~~~~Update

    You might try contacting jsinisi

    He seems to have gotten his working okay. You can check out his review here:

    http://forum.tabletpcreview.com/thr...nd-i-feel-like-i-owe-you-guys-a-review.75633/
     
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  9. Hannibalj2

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    Yeah, there is no Wintab. I think somehow the pen drivers are not installed. I reset the computer in the hopes to force all drivers from factory to work, but nope, nada. I will checl the Radialmenu after I can solve the Wintab and overall pen performance. If I can not solve by tomorrow I will ask for a full refund
     
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    ~~~~~~~~~~~Update II

    I was thinking about this some more...
    So, I figure Acer is just assuming that Windows 10 is handling all the pen driver stuff, (though you might want to install the updated Serial I/O driver from Acer's website, since pen stuff would be included in that.), but in general, the OS is expected to handle pens. It's not Acer's problem. (Like hell it isn't, but whatever).

    The other thing you can do is install a Wacom driver. Programs like Clip Studio Paint will let you choose which driver you want to use; the Microsoft one, or the Wacom one. (I like Wacom's better; on the Samsung, it performs much better for tight detail work.)

    You can get a copy of that driver here, (I tested the link; even after all this time, it's still active):

    http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=38826

    Just hit, "Download"
    Then scroll down the driver options to the bottom and select: "Wintab_x64_1.0.0.20.zip"

    Then download and install that.

    Now you should be good to go, at least in CSP. Photoshop might take some more noodling.
     
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