3D Xpoint to be launched 24th April

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  1. RT545

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    Intel/Micron 3D XPoint is officially launching on 24th April

    (Courtesy of Anandtech - http://www.anandtech.com/show/11227/intel-launches-optane-memory-m2-cache-ssds-for-client-market)

    For now, the capacities are limited to 16GB and 32GB, with read and write speeds comparable to those of SSDs.
    Endurance is also for now lower than what was previously announced, but better than SSDs.

    The technology is just starting, and we can hope that things will improve in the future (end of the year and 2018) with the release of the next products.

    Anandtech article says that True DIMM-based 3D XPoint memory products are on the roadmap for next year.

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    They are also launching a Datacenter SSD, the DC P4800X

    375GB capacity, 2 000 MB/s writing, 2 400 MB/s reading, endurance 30 daily rewrites or 12.3 PB rewritten datas

    https://www.gamespot.com/articles/intel-announces-crazy-fast-1520-optane-dc-p4800x-s/1100-6448817/

    http://www.newsfactor.com/news/Inte...-Drive-Tech/story.xhtml?story_id=0010003OTWQ5
    (improving both fast caching and storage)

    More on how it works:

    http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru.../74989-intels-optane-dc-p4800x-deep-dive.html

    Capacities of 750 GB and 1.5 TB announced for the end of the year.
     
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    Another article by Tom's hardware:

    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-3d-xpoint-optane-dc-p4800x,33938.html

    Intel DC P4800X

    Capacity

    375GB
    Form Factor
    Add-In Card, Half-Height, Half-Length
    Interface
    NVMe, PCIe 3.0 x4
    Latency
    <10 microseconds
    Quality of Service (QoS) 99.999%
    4K Random Read/Write QD1 - <60/100 microseconds
    4K Random Read/Write QD16 - <150/200 microseconds
    Throughput
    4K Random Read/Write IOPS - up to 550/500K
    4K Random 70/30 Read/Write Mix - up to 500K
    Endurance
    30 DWPD - 12.3 Petabytes Written
    Price
    $1,520

    Article by arstechnica:

    https://arstechnica.com/information...ptane-ssd-375gb-that-you-can-also-use-as-ram/
    ("Where the P4800X excels is its ability to sustain high I/O loads, courtesy of those low latencies")
     
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    For a first release, the Intel disk has performances already equivalent to the best SSDs; 3D Xpoint will really start to shine if the technology has potential to improve as more products are released and the technology is perfected.

    So, in order to get an idea of whether the potential for improvement is there and if this will be the storages and memories of the future in the years to come, let's see what Micron has in store:

    First, the announces on their website:

    "Breakthrough Nonvolatile Memory Technology"
    https://www.micron.com/about/our-innovation/3d-xpoint-technology
    "Micron and Intel Produce Breakthrough Memory Technology" https://www.micron.com/about/news-and-events/media-relations/media-kits/3d-xpoint-technology

    "3D XPoint technology is up to 1,000 times faster and has up to 1,000 times greater endurance than NAND, but is 10 times denser than conventional memory. It’s a breakthrough technology that delivers game-changing performance for memory and storage solutions and enables entirely new applications."


    So let's see if we can get some clues that the promises are on a track to be delivered.

    Micron will release its first versions of 3D Xpoint with the name QuantX around end 2017, start 2018:

    http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/micron-quantx-high-end-systems-servers/

    This will probably be as good as the Intel product, yet Micron seems to be working on the next generations already, with improvements already in view:

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/3165...reat-as-micron-chases-future-quantx-tech.html

    "Micron has a different strategy than Intel for the development of QuantX. Instead of PCs, it will target high-capacity QuantX SSDs and DRAM at servers and high-end systems.
    In the next-generation QuantX products, Micron wants to tack on more storage capacity and reduce latency, Scott DeBoer, vice president of Micron, said during an analyst meeting Scottsdale, Arizona, this week."


    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/micron-nand-gddr6-qlc-3d-xpoint,33576.html

    "Micron was silent on the 3D Point front, though it revealed that it's making progress and is already developing the next two generations. Both new generations will be denser and faster than the first generation, which has yet to come to market. The leading 3D XPoint products will feature two "decks," and it’s logical to expect the next generations to employ more decks to increase density."

    Same thing by pcworld here:

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/3165...reat-as-micron-chases-future-quantx-tech.html

    Ok, we have our clues that there seems to be room for improvement. We will see what the future has in store, but this might truly be interesting!
     
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    As for Intel, they recently selected some partners to test 3D XPoint based DIMM memory modules:

    http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-optane-partners-testing-dimm-modules/

    "During Intel’s fourth quarter 2016 earnings conference on Thursday, CEO Brian Krzanich said the company provided samples of its 3D XPoint-based memory sticks to data centers during that quarter. These sticks fit into DDR4 slots in servers, promising better performance due to the “stacked” nature of 3D XPoint technology."
     
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    It turns out Intel Optane underperforms compared to Samsung's 960 Pro series PCIe M.2 SSDs:
    Sources:
    http://www.pcworld.com/article/3191706/storage/optane-memory-review-why-you-may-want-intels-futuristic-cache-in-your-pc.html
    via...
    https://liliputing.com/2017/04/inte...s-44-speedy-cache-compliments-hard-drive.html
     
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    The test was done with the 32GB version.

    Tom's HARDWARE recently tested the DC 4800X extensively against several entreprise class SSDs (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-optane-3d-xpoint-p4800x,5030.html)

    They say that it outperforms the other SSDs tested in almost all the areas of the tests.
     
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    True, but that price. The $/GB is a sticker shocker. I never thought I would ever say any SSD is cheap. But relatively speaking, any SSD looks like an absolute bargain in comparison. Once Samsung and others pick this up and mass produce it for a few years, it should be within the reach of mere mortals.
     
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    I don't know if Samsung or others will release some 3D Xpoint based technology, because this is a patented new technology owned by Intel and Micron, so unless they license it in a few years, or unless the others also release some technology of their own, based on their own researches on phase change or resistive memory, they should be the only providers for some time. Micron will release some device with the brand QuantX starting Q1 2018, and so the prices should start to go cheaper from this time on.
     
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    I think that is the plan. Intel is, more or less, showing the technology is commercially viable by first selling it themselves.
    Link:
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-optane-3d-xpoint-p4800x,5030-9.html
     
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